最初由 千岛湖渔夫 发布：
世界不是一成不变的，用老眼光看待中国大陆的时代已经一去不复返了。回复：Not the same playground
Dear Sedona, a few facts for your reference:
我有两个要好的香港朋友，一个从英国医学院毕业，一个从香港医学院毕业。他们的基本素质很好，待人接物真诚，宽容又乐意助人。 前面一位朋友多次不能通过加拿大的医学考试，已经转行医疗器械。后者比我早准备好几年，在2004年进入加拿大医疗系统，不过他的香港英语口音在临床工作中给他带来了很多麻烦。他是我同事，又是好友，不能多说，不过他以后在多伦多地区行医是不会有任何问题的。
反观在2005同时进入加拿大医疗系统的7位大陆同行，英语口语个个了得，比如上海医科大学毕业的 Dr. Ren （现在 Hamilton 骨科住院医师），他的口语比当地白人还要正宗。 目前我们都奋斗在安省的不同医院，在不远的几年内，相信会陆续回到多伦多地区。
世界不是一成不变的，用老眼光看待中国大陆的时代已经一去不复返了。
Yours are not facts, but your opinion. I can quote you my opinion that in my department of about 500 people, nobody understands the English of an IT staff, a graduate from Qinghua, after her work for 10 years.
I was debating from a macro perspective, but you quote cases at a micro level - a mistake of either fallacy of composition or over generalization.
Though not scientific, I have observed there are far more Hong Kong Chinese than the mainland counterparts in senior managers in the government and international corporations. Just like it is my observation that western nations are still far more advanced than China, in social, legal and economic development.
Will the Putonghua community surpass the Guangdonghua community in Canada? The chance is there, since there are now far more new immigrants from mainland than from Hong Kong, so the Putonghua community will outnumber. I am not positive about other areas though.
The chance is there as well for China to outperform the western nations, in the future, not now.
Mainland Chinese keeps telling the world they will become the superpower in the future. Remain humble till you have.
By the way, 51 owner has the guts to tell us to learn from the Hong Kong community. Our attitude, however, remains.................
最初由 Sedona 发布：
Not the same playground
In my humble opinion, it is easier for immigrants from Hong Kong to "re-earn" their professional license in many fields for many reasons:
1. professionals trained in Hong Kong are bilingual. Despite their accent, ...................
2. Most doctors from Hong Kong have qualifications from Canada, Australia and UK. .........................
The playground is not the same for Chinese from mainland.
Dear Sedona, a few facts for your reference:
我有两个要好的香港朋友，一个从英国医学院毕业，一个从香港医学院毕业。他们的基本素质很好，待人接物真诚，宽容又乐意助人。 前面一位朋友多次不能通过加拿大的医学考试，已经转行医疗器械。后者比我早准备好几年，在2004年进入加拿大医疗系统，不过他的香港英语口音在临床工作中给他带来了很多麻烦。他是我同事，又是好友，不能多说，不过他以后在多伦多地区行医是不会有任何问题的。
反观在2005同时进入加拿大医疗系统的7位大陆同行，英语口语个个了得，比如上海医科大学毕业的 Dr. Ren （现在 Hamilton 骨科住院医师），他的口语比当地白人还要正宗。 目前我们都奋斗在安省的不同医院，在不远的几年内，相信会陆续回到多伦多地区。
世界不是一成不变的，用老眼光看待中国大陆的时代已经一去不复返了。
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2007-11-03 11:00
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最初由 Sedona 发布：
Let me share my conversation with some senior Ministry officers and from United Way.
Before a dinner in a conference, I talked to some senior Ministry officers responsible for funding why Chinese community from mainland China do not receive their fair share of funding. Their response was:
1. They do not see the significant difference between Chinese from Hong Kong, China and Taiwan, so the funding given to organizations managed by Hong Kong Chinese is sufficient to serve other Chinese. It is very similar to Iran and Iraqi. There is funding to the Islamic community to serve people from both countries.
2. This comment really shocks me. Chinese from mainland do not like to follow the rules of the game, so no funding for their organizations. To qualify for funding, an organization must have a proven record, but most Chinese organizations are too small, and too short to produce any proven record of service to the community. They don't know how to write a proposal, especially in the areas of output vs outcome, outcome measurement, accountability and etc. They also don't like and choose to reject the supervision from a "custodian" agency run by the Chinese community.
3. This comment explains why the Chinese organizations do not receive funding. Non government organizations (NGOs) are run by board of directors who are volunteers from the community. Their roles are to supervise but not get involved in the operation - the concept of arm's length. Chinese organizations either do not have a board or have a very weak board. Their board members also deliver services, thus causing conflict of interest.
If the Chinese community does not want to play the game according to the Ministry's rules, they can forget about the funding.
那我为你编语录，不介意吧？
我要翻译成中文。
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Sedona
2007-11-03 10:55
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Let me share my conversation with some senior Ministry officers and from United Way.
Before a dinner in a conference, I talked to some senior Ministry officers responsible for funding why Chinese community from mainland China do not receive their fair share of funding. Their response was:
1. They do not see the significant difference between Chinese from Hong Kong, China and Taiwan, so the funding given to organizations managed by Hong Kong Chinese is sufficient to serve other Chinese. It is very similar to Iran and Iraqi. There is funding to the Islamic community to serve people from both countries.
2. This comment really shocks me. Chinese from mainland do not like to follow the rules of the game, so no funding for their organizations. To qualify for funding, an organization must have a proven record, but most Chinese organizations are too small, and too short to produce any proven record of service to the community. They don't know how to write a proposal, especially in the areas of output vs outcome, outcome measurement, accountability and etc. They also don't like and choose to reject the supervision from a "custodian" agency run by the Chinese community.
3. This comment explains why the Chinese organizations do not receive funding. Non government organizations (NGOs) are run by board of directors who are volunteers from the community. Their roles are to supervise but not get involved in the operation - the concept of arm's length. Chinese organizations either do not have a board or have a very weak board. Their board members also deliver services, thus causing conflict of interest.
If the Chinese community does not want to play the game according to the Ministry's rules, they can forget about the funding.
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Sedona
2007-11-03 10:39
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最初由 千岛湖渔夫 发布：
大陆移民对加拿大医疗政策的不了解程度和对进入加拿大医疗体系的畏惧直接导致了每年90%以上的外籍医生名额被中东阿拉伯裔和印巴裔瓜分。
首先，没有一个外国的医生可以自行在加拿大执业，无论他是美国，英国还是中国,香港毕业。 就是他本地加拿大毕业的学生，也要经过3 个 国家级的考试： QE I, QE II and board exam 。 移民医生就是要在 这3个都要考的医师资格考试上，加考一个针对移民医生的 “Evaluation” 考试 和英语或法语考试，并不需要重新读医学院。我只用了一年时间准备就被录取了，目前正在考察最终行医的地点。我的详细原文发表在51站：http://blog.51.ca/u-29332/2006/10/24/%e8%af%84%e8%ae%ba%e7%a7%bb%e6%b0%91%e5%8a%a0%e5%9b%bd%e8%b0%81%e4%b9%8b%e9%94%99%ef%bc%9f%e7%a7%bb%e6%b0%91%e5%8c%bb%e7%94%9f%e5%b0%b1%e4%b8%9a%e7%8e%b0%e7%8a%b6%e5%b7%ae/
无知和偏见远比一个简单的疾病难以根除。某位国人几十年前就看穿了“学医并非一件要紧的事。凡是。。的国民，即使体格如何健全，如何茁壮，也只能作毫无意义的示众的材料和看客”。不是吗？
I appreciate your information to help the Chinese community. It is simple logic that your success doesn't mean every Chinese fellow can follow your footpath.
In my humble opinion, it is easier for immigrants from Hong Kong to "re-earn" their professional license in many fields for many reasons:
1. professionals trained in Hong Kong are bilingual. Despite their accent, it is much easier for them to adjust to the linguistic requirements.
2. Most doctors from Hong Kong have qualifications from Canada, Australia and UK. Accountants have their designations equivalent to CGA, CMA or CA. Social workers and psychologists have their qualifications recognized, though they still have to pass an examination. Lawyers are exempted from some courses, thus shortening their study time to like a half.
3. It is easier for them to regain their license because of their western education. They don't have to relearn concepts like evidence base, privacy and confidentiality, and self-determination for helping professionals, and like going concern, entity for accountants.
4. They are more willing to integrate to the mainstream. Unlike 51ers, they complain every single day.
The playground is not the same for Chinese from mainland.
最初由 ffgg123 发布：
上海医生在加拿大不知道要用多少年，才能够再被称呼为医生，你在网上混的时间，香港医生都可以拿2个医生招牌了。 😊如果和青山一起去南京，可能只要一年就可以成为南京医生
大陆移民对加拿大医疗政策的不了解程度和对进入加拿大医疗体系的畏惧直接导致了每年90%以上的外籍医生名额被中东阿拉伯裔和印巴裔瓜分。
首先，没有一个外国的医生可以自行在加拿大执业，无论他是美国，英国还是中国,香港毕业。 就是他本地加拿大毕业的学生，也要经过3 个 国家级的考试： QE I, QE II and board exam 。 移民医生就是要在 这3个都要考的医师资格考试上，加考一个针对移民医生的 “Evaluation” 考试 和英语或法语考试，并不需要重新读医学院。我只用了一年时间准备就被录取了，目前正在考察最终行医的地点。我的详细原文发表在51站：http://blog.51.ca/u-29332/2006/10/24/%e8%af%84%e8%ae%ba%e7%a7%bb%e6%b0%91%e5%8a%a0%e5%9b%bd%e8%b0%81%e4%b9%8b%e9%94%99%ef%bc%9f%e7%a7%bb%e6%b0%91%e5%8c%bb%e7%94%9f%e5%b0%b1%e4%b8%9a%e7%8e%b0%e7%8a%b6%e5%b7%ae/
无知和偏见远比一个简单的疾病难以根除。某位国人几十年前就看穿了“学医并非一件要紧的事。凡是。。的国民，即使体格如何健全，如何茁壮，也只能作毫无意义的示众的材料和看客”。不是吗？
多伦多的大陆社团要向香港社团学习