网友来稿：使用TASER是正确的选择！

最初由 td_ld4 发布： 有其母必有其子，两个不自量力者自食其果 －不回波兰母子团聚的下场 英雄所见略同，RCMP出手果断，将危险消灭于萌芽，功大于过。 不过我早已发表果我的英名论断：有其母必有其子，两个不自量力者自食其果 －－－－ 不回波兰母子团聚的下场！！！ Open you eyes watch the video in youtube When the police came, the poor guy did not do anything wrong he just stand there. Why police can not do anything else other than shot to resolve the problem. The police already knew he can not speak english because the security guy already told them when the police came. Just listen the video. And you argument about destroy the window of store is total incomparable on this case because the man at that time did not do anything aggressive. Also how come 4 strong RCMP did not have confidence to subdue that guy just with physical force. That poor man do not have any deadly weapon and his two hands are all out and his cloth are all open. Do RCMP have that kind of training? If RCMP have just gun not taser, do they just kill that man right way?

Though very good, this article relies on two assumptions: 1. TASER is very safe (根据安省的使用武力模型，TASER属于中度武力的武器，同警棍和辣椒水属于同一级别，当对方积极反抗的时候就可以使用). If there were 18 fatalities, should TASER be re-classified as a more dangerous weapon? 2. The policies and procedures were followed. The option of different weapons is a judgement call. All law enforcement officers, e.g. police, CBSA and others, are obliged to use lesser intrusive course of action, where appropriate. The author argues pepper spray is inappropriate because the victim was too hyper (同样对辣椒水来说，也存在同样的问题，对精神亢奋或失常的人效果往往不理想，因为他们对辣椒水不敏感，). Remember 15 years ago Edmund Yu was shot dead in a Spadina street car? Thereafter, Toronto Police was allowed to use pepper spray. The citizens were told that pepper spray is safe and effective in managing psychiatric patients who may endanger the general public. In my humble opinion, pepper spray is a lesser intrusive course of action and should have been considered in this case. The author made two "mistakes" in his article, reflecting Canada needs a stronger check and balance mechanism to limit police authority and their free will of using physical force: 1. (因为他们对辣椒水不敏感，而且在使用后，还牵扯到环境污染问题，尤其在机场，更不是一个好的选择。). We are talking about human lives. Environmental pollution and the airport are less of a priority. 2. (但是作为移民或公民，我们有义务学习或学好至少一种官方语言。作为中国新移民，英文往往不好，这是很正常的，与其埋怨政府或其他组织还不如多花时间提高自得的英文水平。) Monitoring government operation and learning English are not mutually exclusive. We do not speak good English, but it is our rights to express ourselves to enhance the governmental operations. RCMP is in a position of authority to protect and to serve us. The Vancouver airport is an international hub where thousands of travelers who do not speak English or French come and go every hour of the day. Do we expect the foreigners to speak either English or French? I don't think the RCMP meant to kill the victim. As demonstrated in this tragedy, RCMP and the author of this article is culturally insensitive to the extreme. In North America, police is granted with authority to use maximum force to ensure minimum injury, which is fine in most circumstances. (加拿大的法律对警察使用武力有严格的要求。在安大略省，有一个警察使用武力的模型。其中规定，当被拘捕人被动反抗的话，例如警察让你把手放到背后以便带手铐，你还把手放在前面，这时警察就可以采用身体的武力，譬如用拳打脚踢来使对方就范；当被拘捕人积极反抗的话，警察就可以使用中级武力，如BATON， OC-SPRAY， TASER； 当被拘捕人的行为可能造成严重身体伤害的，警察可以使用致命武器，即开枪。所以警察总是可以合法使用比被拘捕人更高一级的武力行为，这是执法的正常需要) I understand very well police has absolute authority, after living in Canada for 25 years. Does everyone, especially new comers understand their absolute obedience and conformity to police instructions? RCMP and the author of this article must understand they are dealing with people of diverse background and different understanding of police authority. The choice of use of a more intrusive weapon because the victim did not react the same like North Americans would, reflects it is time to revisit TASER and the authority, including use of violence, granted to our police forces by our law abiding citizens. I trust the independent investigation and the public hearing, based on previous experience. We all will learn from the tragedy, after the loss of a human life.

The argument is not whether the weapon is good or not for the policy to protect themselves or the public, but whether the policy abuse using the weapon and whether they have followed the proper procedure

最初由 Questions2007 发布： 即使这个波兰移民是没有伤人，但是砸凳子等损坏一些property,这也属于暴力倾向。如果有人把路边商店的玻璃砸了，或者是损坏一些property，这不需要警察去制止吗？有些人就是毛病太多，确实需要这些“硬”措施，加拿大不是自己的家，想做什么就做什么，这里是个给人改毛病的地方。我是一名学生，但我认为，警察在适当情况给颜色看看是个正确的选择。 这点许多移民不会认同你,因为在他们老家这些是习惯,是合法的. 当然加拿大的警察生活在加拿大,对这些外来习惯不理解,他们的反应同样不能被移民们理解,无关乎这个移民是白是黑是黄. 举个例子,一个加拿大长大的女孩子随家回伊朗,因为没有把自己包裹起来,走在大街上被数个不相识的老太太抽耳光,是老太太违法还是小姑娘违法??

即使这个波兰移民是没有伤人，但是砸凳子等损坏一些property,这也属于暴力倾向。如果有人把路边商店的玻璃砸了，或者是损坏一些property，这不需要警察去制止吗？有些人就是毛病太多，确实需要这些“硬”措施，加拿大不是自己的家，想做什么就做什么，这里是个给人改毛病的地方。我是一名学生，但我认为，警察在适当情况给颜色看看是个正确的选择。

最初由 td_ld4 发布： 4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束，不满意吗？对不起忍着吧，否则请离开回到原住地 来自警察的这篇文章是最有利的论据，4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束，这也是加拿大主流社会和司法体制对那帮不停争吵的波兰移民支持们者最好的回答，不满意吗？对不起忍着吧，否则就请离开回到原住地。 不许剽窃我的预测结果，我以此为生，这不是砸我的饭碗吗

http://info.51.ca/news/canada/2007/11/26/141535.shtml We should read this article in 51.ca. To me these four police should be fire. Because first they overreact on the case, second they provide the false information to public .

如果那个波兰人是你的亲哥哥，你就不会那么说了. 警察当然向着同行说话，所以没有可信度。 看样子你也经常使用Taser gun，是个坏警察，因为你的武艺不高，所以只知道欺负善良的手无武器的好人，如果遇到拿枪的坏人，你比谁逃得都快！

最初由 wu831 发布： You are wrong Based on the video available, the man seems upset and destroy some property, but he never tried to attack any one and he just stand there shout out "Poliza"- If you are a security officer at the airport, at this kind of situation, would you call police to stop him or to help him?

Based on the video available, the man seems upset and destroy some property, but he never tried to attack any one and he just stand there shout out "Poliza"- obviouse to me he want police come and help. And the 4 RCMP seems never try to help. They overreact and use excessive force to handle this case. And more disturbing me is RCMP gave public the misleading information before the video was public one month later. i believe without that video the whole thing will be covered up Tell me Sir Police, How can we trust this kind of police team if they can not fairly justify a public issues?

最初由 td_ld4 发布： 4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束，不满意吗？对不起忍着吧，否则请离开回到原住地 来自警察的这篇文章是最有利的论据，4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束，这也是加拿大主流社会和司法体制对那帮不停争吵的波兰移民支持们者最好的回答，不满意吗？对不起忍着吧，否则就请离开回到原住地。 Holly ****. you have already transferd to td_ld4! 😁 😁 😁 Oh my god, man, You are absolutely bravo!!!!!!

来自警察的这篇文章是最有利的论据，4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束，这也是加拿大主流社会和司法体制对那帮不停争吵的波兰移民支持们者最好的回答，不满意吗？对不起忍着吧，否则就请离开回到原住地。

最初由 退出 发布： 网友来稿：使用TASER是正确的选择！ 在使用电击枪的时候警队有一个明确的要求：必须要招唤医生到现场， 而当时距离最近的列支文的消防警和警方急救车根本没有被RCMP召唤，这是不可被忽视的操作违章。对此列支文警方已经表示了非常愤怒。 而且就目前的证据来看，RCMP和机场服务局记者招待会前后矛盾的讲话和限制记者提问的态度，不能不让人怀疑警方和机场方面（机场警卫没有采取任何行动就召唤RCMP等）的失误。 Imposible,man, imposible. in case of using taser must be under emergency condition, do you think policemam have enough time to call a doctor, after dooctor arrived, policcman woull be allowed to use taser? do you think really that is posible? you can speak it like a joke, but can not be true. otherwise,any suspect can acchive tremendous success.

I don't know the author is a RCMP or a "Real Crazy and Mad Police"????

在使用电击枪的时候警队有一个明确的要求：必须要招唤医生到现场，而当时距离最近的列支文的消防警和警方急救车根本没有被RCMP召唤，这是不可被忽视的操作违章。对此列支文警方已经表示了非常愤怒。 而且就目前的证据来看，RCMP和机场服务局记者招待会前后矛盾的讲话和限制记者提问的态度，不能不让人怀疑警方和机场方面（机场警卫没有采取任何行动就召唤RCMP等）的失误。