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呵呵,家暴还有理了,被施暴的一方还不许报警了?既然你们认识到这里不是中国,报警后果严重,也得知道,这里不是中国,老婆想打就能打。在外面觉得被白人歧视晚上回家打老婆出气,还理直气壮,三观感人啊。
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一个是敌我矛盾,一个是内部矛盾,家庭矛盾问题。如果夫妻的矛盾到了不可调和的情况下就转变成敌我矛盾找警察没错。 我和我的投资人并没有不可调和的矛盾,只是有意见和抱怨。
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不是家暴有理,而是有些事算不算家暴,所以说要有度的概念。 比如这条新闻 http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/nova-scotia/trailer-park-boys-bubbles-la-arrest-1.3518081 一个加拿大男演员被抓了,交两万保释,是周围的人报的警。最打脸的是他女朋友公开说:我没觉得危险,否则我自己会报警,无须别人代劳。可是男的还是被抓了。这么容易就被抓了,公平吗?
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回复 矢黄色新雨:公诉,不是Civil。侵犯了公众利益
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夫妻吵架不一定是坏事, 有些多管闲事的是一类“宪民”, 无论在中国还是加拿大,都存在这样一些人,遇到这种人做邻居, 真的会很不爽的。。。。这通常是一些素质不高还想装B的人。
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警察爱管风险最小,生钱效率最高。
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唐炜臻一案跟家庭纠纷是一回事,警察的作用和目的破坏,警察是武装,武器和工具,不是调解和做思想工作的的,其目的就是为自己和律师创收,只有用法律和法庭才能知道我们每个人家庭和公司有多少财产,他们才有利可图。
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在商业化的社会,Nothing is free. Everything is money. 所以法律系统也不例外。因为这是一个商业化的法律系统,你的话就有了一定的道理。警察的执法跟钱有了联系,警察也会变得不公正,甚至违法。
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回复 和者盖寡A:不仅仅是钱的问题。一旦警察出警,程序走到Crown的公诉,都有法律责任。中国更厉害。
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回复 jjamesw:警察出警也犯错误,主观的,客观的。换句话说,也有违法的时候。警察最容易犯的法就是侵犯人权,警察比普通人有更多的机会和特权去侵犯人权。程序走到Crown的公诉,也仍旧有可能是警察和Crown没有理。警察和Crown是由人组成的,是人都可能犯错误和违法。 我本来就是一心一意地要与警察和Crown来一次真正的对薄公堂,不怕他们威胁说的坐监的危险。开庭日期都排好了,也快等到日子了, 在所谓最后一次confirm开庭日期的时候,他们又换了人来说,撤诉了。要知道我是我自己的律师。补充,我这不是所谓家暴的情况。诬告者另有其人。总而言之,是他们在那极不严肃的玩来玩去。
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又报警,有抱怨警察干涉,这是多么人格分裂的人才能想出来的题目啊。 难道希望报警以后,警察不闻不问吗? 警察的工作是隔离双方,保证不互相伤害。至于谁对谁错,那是法庭的事。
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家暴可耻,但是女人也不能动辄就报警,然后又撤警,警察不是咱家的佣人 国人何时学会能控制管理自己的情绪了,知道这要犯法吃官司了,文明就进了一大步,男人就不敢蛮干,女人就不会自找倒霉
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我如果被我曾经相亲相爱的人暴打到了不可忍受的地步,我觉得找律师跟他办离婚比送他进警察局再放回来好。 最坏的结果是成为了一个真正的生命威胁。警察根本保护不了我。这样的离婚,我仍然可以希望或祝福曾经的爱人过得比自己好。 一句话,很多时候,报警的人也不是个忍气吞声的善茬。
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根据我的观察,新移民的生活不易,大多数家庭都发生过两口子打架争执达到了可以报警,抓人的地步。只不过,大多数都是民没告,官就没究。我从来没有这时候帮助他们报警。 根据加拿大的情况,如果报案家暴了,就是相当于人民内部矛盾已经转化成敌我矛盾了。做好分手的心理准备。 如果我的女人把我送交警察局,我出来就平静地跟她说,我放你走,给你自由。不然咱们两人就变成仅仅经济一体化partners,如果你怕经济遭受损失的话。
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我的女人:把你弄进牢子,你还能这么亲热。😁
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你竟然连一点儿愧疚都没有?你还厚颜无耻地说给她自由?她本来就是自由的,用你施舍吗?你家暴了,进局子了,出来还不道歉,不忏悔? 辫子国民普遍缺乏反省意识。
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回复 光荣啊,汉奸!:到目前为止,我的女人都比较情愿地失去她的(至少是部分的)自由,而我应该在其表示出不愿意再被束缚的意愿时,我就会主动表示愿意还给她的这部分自由。这样既有人情味,人权味,又有务实的解决问题的态度,避免发展到家暴。
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常看见谴责警察插手家暴文章,为什么不考虑提高自身素养不要有动手、骂人行为。试想,如果面对一个人高马大的黑人,这些对弱小者动手的人还敢动手吗?欺软怕硬,甚至欺凌家人的人的确让人瞧不起。
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警察抱怨:华人两口子打架为啥爱叫警察来管
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这是常识。华人是学习了这边的常识才这么做。不分种族都有家暴的情况,加拿大有很多预防家暴,保护家暴受害者的庇护中心和咨询中心。请网上搜索 canada domestic abuse/violence, family violence 等等,非常多的咨询。 不要以为施虐自己家人就无所谓,己所不欲勿施于人,不尊重家人的同时,不要怪人不尊重自己被报警处理。
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中国的习惯,叫外部机关来调解。 民主国家,警力是真正的暴力机关,不是帮老百姓解决问题的机关。或者说他们的解决办法就是拆分,不管事实如何。如果真的不想过了,报警不失为明智的选择
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自己不爱惜自己,别人怎么会爱惜你!被家暴的朋友,如果你没有能力保证自己的身心安全,一定要报警处理!不管后果如何,也比反复受虐残害身心灵的伤害少得多! 那些劝家暴受害者不要报警的朋友,了解清楚情况再说话,如果对方确实 反复 受到身心的侵害,对方配偶也没有接受任何心理咨询帮助 或 没有行为上忏悔反省的能力,千万不要劝他人不报警,因为下次受到伤害的不是你们!家暴事件的双方都 需要寻求社区服务帮助 进行心理咨询,所谓一个巴掌打不响,双方都有不健康的相处模式,是需要第三力介入的,譬如警察介入也是一个很好的惩戒,下不为例! 做错事就要承担!怕承担就不要做错事!
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管贩毒 大麻太危险 所以警察就爱管家庭纠纷
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加拿大,每个人都沿着法律的边沿走,报税尽量退回最多为好,商业尽量少交税为宜,警察也是做最容易的活拿做高的钱才是他们的最求之道,这就是资本主义社会,否则就的重新出现一个新体制
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No Zuo No Die
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这就是西方国家早晚没落的原因。 >50%的离婚率,大量的剩女剩男,一个穆斯林或者阿叉的繁殖率相当于10个白人,所以加拿大的白人一定是会被边缘化的。
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这是统治的技术,利用人们的内部矛盾而强行介入,所以这里鼓励线民举报,像老师邻居等。中国的统治者只知道家和万事兴,民安则国泰,劝和不劝分,宁毁一座庙,不拆一门亲,太不懂独裁的艺术了。
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要说线民举报,哪的都赶不上中国北京的朝阳群众。。。😂
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太不懂独裁的艺术了+1 🤭
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回复 费老:那是毒品吧。
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这儿的警察是 law enforcement (enforcement 其实就是强制执行),他们只能按照法律和标准程序行事, 不管你们夫妻感情的.。。。所以大陆新来的, 不要梦想什么警民鱼水情。。。指望着叫个胳膊粗的劝导你老公, 训他几句, 然后做个和事佬,然后二个人高高兴兴在门口挥手送走这个可爱的人民警察,娇滴滴地送他几颗巧克力表示衷心的感谢.。。。🤭
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警察为啥爱管此类事?因为这样的出警没有生命危险,很多时候都拿加班津贴,自然非常积极了。😂
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加拿大这里只能骂人不得动手,管你是夫妻,父子等,动手都侵犯人权。至于唐骗子,他就骗别人钱,不骗他老婆钱,他现在脑残了,怎么会跟家暴联系在一起。难道他还动手打老婆?
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骂人也要注意内容,如死亡威胁(你等着,我早晚整死你),那就是大麻烦。
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回复 光荣啊,汉奸!:对,骂人不能威胁。骂骂唐骗子傻瓜可以,不能说要打谁,更不能说杀人了,动手更是犯罪,从愚昧落后的国家来的一些人不理解。
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回复 D.J:辫子国的人普遍无知而无畏,无耻而无敌。
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WHY DOES WEIZHEN TANG INSIST THAT HE IS NOT GUILTY. Firstly, he insists that any deprivation to the investors was not caused by any deceit, falsehood, or other fraudulent means. Secondly, he insists, that at no time did he ever, ever intend to defraud his investors. While His Honour at the end of the day, will define the element of ‘intention’ to you. And it is certainly narrowly defined. The fact of the matter is that, according to the law, the crown simply has not discharged its onus to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Weizhen Tang knew, knew in his mind, that saying or doing any of these alleged transgressions could put at risk the economic or financial interest of the complainants. Query, why has Weizhen Tang, so courageously, so vehemently, so insistently stood up and railed against the OSC? Firstly, as testified to, he welcomes any and all investigation. Indeed, you heard him boldly tell the Crown that he welcomed Mr. Gattrell’s cross-examination and asserted those memorable words in this trial to ‘Bring it On’. He says he is not only guilty of fraud, but that he is anti-fraud. Why does he say this. Because throughout the trial, Weizhen Tang has insisted that the OSC doesn’t protect investors whereas Weizheng Tang did. In fact, Weizhen Tang throughout the trial, would indicate either in cross-examination or in testimony that the OSC rarely gets its man. Weizhen Tang asserts that the OSC investigator, one Mr. Thompson, had the opportunity to discuss his case with his former colleagues at the Fraud detachment – the same detachment that charged Weizhen Tang in November of 2009 with Fraud. Weizhen Tang insists, that unlike Bre-X, Sino-Forest, and one Joe Feng Deng of MP Global Financial limited, he Weizhen Tang was charged with both OSC and Criminal Charges. And this, according to Weizhen Tang, was because of bias. TANG BIAS And here are the reasons for the alleged bias on the part of the OSC: 1) Weizhen Tang had a uniquely high profile in the Chinese Community. He singlehandedly funded the 2007, 2008, and 2009 Chinese New Years Show. He singlehandedly organized the two North American Chinese Wealth Summits in 2006 and 2009 that we’ve heard about. And he was the brains, the finances, the inspiring force behind the 4.13 10,000 man march to steps of Parliament Hill. 2) Weizhen Tang points to his visit by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) to question him about this 4.13 rally. 3) Weizhen Tang insists that but for his television and letter campaign against the OSC prior to the criminal charge, he would have never been criminally charged. In essence, he’s the gadfly of the OSC. That is, a man who persistently annoys or provokes others with criticism, schemes, ideas, demands, requests, etc. 4) As an example of this, you’ve heard about the Business News Network interviews Weizhen Tang did, along with the 25 point plan sent to all the media outlets indicating his defence and serious issues with the OSC. To draw a very poor analogy, just as Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses one October day in 1517 to the door of All Saint’s Church in Wittenberg, so did Weizhen Tang email his 24 Theses to the doors of the media outlets of this great country. Again, this was prior to the criminal charge being laid. And it can be found at Exhibit 113 for your deliberation. Enumerated in his 25 points are the following: #18 Investors have been suffering because of the OSC cease trading order and other actions, and should wait no longer so see justice. #19 The OSC has its own agenda, image and interest, with little thought or concern for the rights of investors and the public interest. #20 The OSC mainly protects bank and other large institutions, while injuring individual investors. One can legitimately feel that the OSC has become the enemy of small business and individual investors. #21 It is informative that a large percentage of Weizhen Tang’s investors have always supported him to continue to trade for them, even after he was under investigation and hit with This unfortunate and unfair cease order. #22 Once can imagine a tragic new slogan for the Ontario Securities Commission and The American Securities Exchange Commission, after the way they have treated Weizhen Tang: “Too big to fail and too small to save. TANG – IMPECUNIOUS Weizhen Tang indicates that there is absolutely no evidence as confirmed by the accountant in this trial that he diverted monies to any offshore accounts, that he lived a lavish lifestyle etc that one could perhaps expect from a fraudster. In fact Weizhen Tang testified and provided documents about his inability to pay for a lawyer, pay for his property taxes, pay for a forensic accountant of his own, or even the gas in his house. You heard Weizhen Tang testify that he and his family members had to attend for a month or two to the local Young Man’s Christian Association (YMCA) to take showers. Further, he testified as to a court order to sell his own home, he provided letters from the bailiff’s office concerning monies owing, and upon his release for jail, there’s a picture of him in evidence at a garage sale he conducted to raise $3000.00. But perhaps the most real testimony in this regard was when Weizhen Tang cried like a broken man when speaking to the fact that he had to collapse his only son’s education fund. Of course, on this point, His Honour will instruct you that you are to make your decision in this case without sympathy, prejudice or fear. You will note, however, that Weizhen Tang broke down just before lunch on Wednesday, October 17, and when the afternoon court session commenced, Weizhen Tang introduced a UPS envelope with an accompanying letter advising him that TD Bank headquarters was shutting down his personal account. Indeed, there were 6 letters delivered to his doorstep that day, indicating that everyone of his family members were having their TD accounts shut down. Seeing that Weizhen Tang pays his mortgage to the TD bank through his TD account, he queried how he would continue. Strange, this would happen in the middle of his trial. But suffice it to say, it speaks to his impecunious nature. That is, that Weizhen Tang is barely hanging one financially. Indeed, Weizhen Tang’s defence of the fraud allegation, can be partly summed up in the following words – “If I’m a fraudster, then show me my money” Now, of course to prove the fraud allegation, the crown need not show that Tang or any other accused for that matter has piles of money horded in some account. But again, strange, that a man accused of intending to defraud his investors would mortgage his home to provide a cheque for $236,000 to his investors when the Weizhen Tang ship was sinking. Strange too, that at tab 16 of the Exhibit 84, the analysis of his funds report, that upon receiving 1 million dollars from Lucy Lu that he would immediately pay 8 investors tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. TANG BIAS If I could return to Tang’s bias argument concerning the OSC. You will recall that the expert, who is also an OSC investigator, accountant Michael de Verteuil, wrote at paragraph 6 of his narrative, and I quote, “Personal bank records were not sought or obtained because they were considered beyond the scope of this analysis and therefore funds transferred to the personal account of Tang or the joint account between Tang and Hong Xiao were not analyzed further” However, when the accountant was questioned about this, he noted that he was mistaken and that Tang’s personal records were indeed sought and obtained, but that he simply did not think it worth while to look into them. Now, Weizhen Tang asserts that his personal records, which I understand can be found in the Ex 81 disk, will show much monies coming out to pay for the New Year’s Shows, Rallies, Wealth Summit and fund raising event and donations etc. Query, if Weizhen Tang’s personal records are not important to this case and Weizhen Tang’s lack of personal gain were not important to this case, why would the crown attorney spend a good part of his cross-examination late Thursday afternoon last, showing cheques made from Weizhen Tang’s business to him personally. In other words, if the accountant is right in asserting Tang’s personal finances are not important, and if Tang is wrong in emphasizing his lack of personal gain in this case, then why would the crown spend so much time on these cheques to Tang. Tang says to you ladies and gentlemen, that to be fair, it’s important for you to look into his personal finances, and invites you to examine exhibit 81 with the utmost scrutiny, in order to give you a balanced picture of what was really happening at the time. PETITIONS Weizhen Tang states have you ever heard a fraud case of where many of the investors are signing a petition to have the alleged fraudster trade again. Strange? He states what kind of fraudster spends his own money to pay investors, instead of trying to horde as much money as he can when the ship is sinking. Tis a bit odd, isn’t it? Tang notes, what kind of fraudster, would insist on fighting the OSC on behalf of himself and investors, and invite the authorities to actually investigate him. Isn’t this too counterintuitive? He queries that if he is some type of manipulative genius purposely committing a fraud on his investors, why is that he ends up having to take cold showers at the YMCA, collapsing his only son’s education fun, and have no money for his defence? He mentions, why would he agree to face his investors at all these meetings, if he truly has something to hide. If you’ve got something to hide, wouldn’t you run. STRAIGHT FROM WEIZHEN TANG Mr. Tang testified that the numbers on the account balances were true promises or targets. He notes that he was not deceiving anyone at any time. He states that he paid all the investors at all material times except that after the financial tsunami and the OSC interruption he was prevented from being able to carry out his obligations. He notes that his real time trading ability vindicates his ability and skill to pay investors. He notes that the five day live trading demonstration and its reflected results on the account balances shows you that what his saying is true. In fact, Tang testified that many times he would provide real time trading demonstration to his investors and that the results thereof were accurately reflected in the account balances. He further notes that using money from new investors to pay old investors is an industry standard. That new investor money is important cash flow. He asserts it’s only a crime to actually take money from investors. He further notes that the key is the intention to steal money or defraud investors. And of this he is not guilty. He argues that contrary to the crown’s assertions that Tang’s investors never knew the risks, the investors G in fact, had a variety of ways to control the risk. They could check on his real time trading for example. And he further points out to the fact that there were 30 million dollars plus in actual redemptions at the time of the crisis.
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异曲同工之处。我跟投资人最多是民事纠纷,跟家庭纠纷一样,他们故意把我的事搞成刑事,污蔑我是诈骗才有利可图。
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凡事都有适度的界限。对于真正的家暴,确实需要帮助,但是现在很多情况是“帮助”过度了,帮助别人不是从善意出发,而是以把事情搞大从中渔利为目的。
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奴隶是不能让它们团结的,哪怕是以家庭为单位,找到借口就拆散,不管是真是假,真的也不给改过机会,同时还能敲一笔
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