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胡说无罪八道有理, 这句话对吗？谢谢您对我的关心， 俺见了警察会乖乖地！不过这年头真不安全，今天www.thestar.ca 报道16-year-old gunned down in doorway of his home（http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/281976），只能靠上帝保佑了，真希望警察把精力放在此处把杀人犯抓住！
您要是没做"违法活动", 大可不必"俺见了警察会乖乖地！". 有道是:没做亏心事,不怕鬼敲门.
要么您从未纳过税? 您不知道那些警察是纳税人"养"活的? 您焉有"俺见了警察会乖乖地！"的想法呢.
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2007-12-04 01:33
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最初由 胡硕士 发布：
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俺看您快了.
胡说无罪八道有理, 这句话对吗？谢谢您对我的关心， 俺见了警察会乖乖地！不过这年头真不安全，今天www.thestar.ca 报道16-year-old gunned down in doorway of his home（http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/281976），只能靠上帝保佑了，真希望警察把精力放在此处把杀人犯抓住！
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Tasering Will Continue Until You all submit
It is enough! It is the time to against Taser!
现在cops向当时的蒋介石总统学习了，宁可错杀一千不可放过一个。以后可要小心了，见到警察一定要向见到刽子手或阎王爷一样，老老实实的，一动都不能动，要向龟孙子一样，要不然警察可是要先用Taser gun电你两下（不是一下），被电死只能自认倒霉，谁让你心脏不好，你也不能去见法官讲理，因为你已经被电死了！
俺看您快了.
http://onemansblog.com/2007/09/17/the-tasering-will-continue-until-you-all-submit/
Posted on Sep 17, 2007 - 1:30am by John P. in News, Philosophy, Politics, Videos
Tasers were developed as a non-lethal option to bring dangerous situations under control. But law enforcement officials are now using them with wild abandon in cases where simple diplomacy or a little hard work would otherwise suffice.
In the past I've written about the police tasering of a UCLA student for refusing to show his school ID, as well as the time a cop tasered an 11 year old at school because the officer on hand apparently couldn't physically restrain him?!? (Gee, what would they have done 10 years ago?)
Police have also used Tasers against peaceful protesters (NPR audio about tasering protesters), a pregnant woman (8 months) and an elderly man who called 911 to get medical attention for his diabetic seizure.
So who's next? Maybe you.
Now, police are being given the green light all over the world to completely disable people whenever they feel like it, and I??m certain we are going to see a whole lot more abuse as a result.
People will be tasered long before it's a necessity. Think about it, if you were a cop why even bother to break a sweat when you know you could probably control a situation physically? All you have to do is taser the hell out of someone and they??ll do anything you say.
People will be intimidated and threatened by the use of tasers. Most people are not that scared of police officers because they feel reasonably sure they won??t be shot (like with a gun). But now you can't be sure that even arguing with a cop won't result in a tasering.
Women will be tasered and raped while they are conscious but unable to react. If you were a rapist you could use one of these to rape anyone you wanted. This guy did, and it happened to this homeless woman and two women in D.C.
Men will be tasered and then beaten without being able to defend themselves. Want proof? Here is a group of ?°private security guards?± hired by the Israeli government using stun guns against unarmed Rabbis.
More people will die as a direct result of taser use. In the US nearly 200 people have already died after being shot by a taser gun, including a mentally ill homeless woman who was stunned with a Taser while on the ground in handcuffs.
In case you aren??t quite familiar with the technology, here is a news clip with a bit of an an overview. The most important quote in the clip:
Police say they will only be used when someone poses a real and immediate risk to themselves, the public or the police.
So, just how effective is a Taser? Well, here is what it does to you, as demonstrated by US Military personnel undergoing police training:
The effectiveness of this torturous device, combined with the immediacy with which it??s effects dissipate seem to be like an invitation for police abuse. It??s incredibly easy to justify electrocution when there are no lingering marks. Hmmm?? I wonder, if we tasered people in military prison camps would it be considered torture?
For example, here is a cop Tasering a guy who is holding an infant without ever even attempting to place a hand on him. It was a first resort, not a last resort, and it caused the infant to be injured.
From The Briefing Room:
Also, take the case of New Orleans resident Ivy Gisclair. Held at OPP for unpaid parking tickets, Gisclair was about to be released on his own recognizance when Hurricane Katrina hit. After languishing with thousands of other prisoners in a flooded jail, Gisclair was sent to the Bossier Parish Maximum Security Prison. Once there, Gisclair apparently had the nerve to inquire about being held past his release date. Gisclair has testified that he was then restrained and stunned repeatedly with a Taser, before being thrown, naked and unconscious, into solitary confinement.
?°I can??t imagine any justification for that,?± says Tom Jawetz from the ACLU. ?° were kicking, beating and ??Tasing?? him until he lost consciousness. A line was crossed that should never have been crossed.?±
You can see the rest of Ivy's story here.
(Please see http://onemansblog.com/2007/09/17/the-tasering-will-continue-until-you-all-submit/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l12svsth-Hc)
And how about this? Here are several large officers Tasering a Woman who is laying on the ground. Why? You cannot convince me that she poses a real and immediate risk to herself, the public or the police.?± The video makes it exceedingly clear that the weapon is being used as a torture device.
If you want to see the full video from which that clip was extracted you can view it here. Trust me, there was no provocation for the tasering and it's obvious they just felt like doing it.
Now, if you want to see a situation where Taser use was clearly warranted, here you go. These officers are acting professionally, they are trying to diffuse the situation and use other means, and they are up against a huge, drunk 340 pound guy.
So, what are we to do about all of this? As a society we need to answer some philosophical questions about when it??s actually acceptable to deploy this, or any other non-lethal weapon. I say "we" because I am not referring to the police. The police derive power from the people. We define what is acceptable and they only enforce it.
Police departments operate on a set of standards called a Force Continuum which define the amount of force allowable in a given situation. A typical force continuum from a US government publication on use of force looks like this:
Verbal command
Handcuff suspect
Search suspect
Use wrist/arm lock
Use takedown
Block/punch/kick
Strike suspect
Wrestle suspect
Pepper spray
Use baton
Use firearm
Here is a PDF document which outlines Categories of Police Continuum of Force for 6 different cities (see page 37), and all are basically similar to the sample above.
As we've seen demonstrated in the videos above, the Police have decided that the best place to insert the new Taser capability is often immediately after verbal command, and long before any physical control attempts.
Amnesty International however has called for a Taser moratorium by all law enforcement agencies based on the concern that ?°stun technology?± promoted as harmless may, in fact, be ?°excessive and lethal force?± because of 74 deaths that the organization says have occurred after Taser use.
But it seems to me that officers should be allowed to use them, but forced to treat Tasers at the same level on the Force Continuum as Pepper Spray, another non-lethal weapon whose effects wear off. They both inflict the same amount of pain, although Tasers are just on a more compressed time line. Huge pain followed by quick relief, compared to moderate pain with slower relief. If anything, the Taser is worse.
In the end though, I think we??ve all become too sheepish to actually open our mouths and complain about the unnecessary force. For example, if you've got a blog are you going to publish this article? I generally doubt it. And that is evidence of why the Tasering will continue!
Well, that and the fact that we get to watch the hilarious antics of guys like this: (Please see http://onemansblog.com/2007/09/17/the-tasering-will-continue-until-you-all-submit/)
November 24th, 2007
It is enough! It is the time to against Taser!
现在cops向当时的蒋介石总统学习了，宁可错杀一千不可放过一个。以后可要小心了，见到警察一定要向见到刽子手或阎王爷一样，老老实实的，一动都不能动，要向龟孙子一样，要不然警察可是要先用Taser gun电你两下（不是一下），被电死只能自认倒霉，谁让你心脏不好，你也不能去见法官讲理，因为你已经被电死了！
Be honest, I don't know why 51.ca post it to be top topic, Do they want to people argue and fight here? apparently, the incident is fault by police officers if everybody saw video.
99.9999% people agree with this,
51.ca post agree with the 0.0001% of popole 's dump
I think many people are just too used to be slaved under the policing and dictatorship in China. They are just sheep. They don't know to question something that has wrongly happened and protect their rights from the authority that they vote for.
It's not against the law and democracy to review if anything has been wrong on the existing procedures or how the police was performing it. On the contrary, it's good to do so as living in democracy and law-governing society.
If you have read the comments from the general public in CANADA, you know how bad reputation RCMP now has because of this incident. If one wants to kiss ass, do more homework in prior and don't kiss the wrong one and make yourself laughable.
If you think some other people are idiots, you are not far away. You are not smarter than many others. In your desired world, you are no more noble than a crappy immigrant from a crappy 3rd developing world, and will be dumped like a garbage relentlessly. So just take back your discriminatory and stupid words.
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我同意加拿大是个法制国家，但警察只是执法者，其本身并不是法律，这就是说警察在执法过程中也有可能犯错， 我们在此讨论的应该是如何避免这种错误。到法院challenge警察只能是事后，人都死了就算赢了官司那又有什么用呢？在这个案子中警察并没想击毙嫌疑人，但嫌疑人却意外死亡了，这就是个错误，我们所关心的是如何避免这种悲剧，希望以后都不要再有类似的事情发生。
I have said many many time that the tragedy is a accdient, I do not think policeman kill polish guy on purpose. that's why i said the policeman should learn something from that. but you must understand some accident is can not be aviod. just like traffic accident, nobody want to kill or be killed in the street, but accident happened almost everyday.right? everybody want to avoid it but not.
Not only policeman but also everybody should learn something from that accident, behavoir myself well, do anything follow the law strictly.that's my point.I think that's the only single way for us to reduce the opportunity or even avoid completely involved any accident.
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