最初由 QingXiao 发布：
加拿大是个法制国家,是真正意义上的法制国家.不是你们祖国的那个口头上的法制国家.
法律是庄严的,更是严肃的.开不得办点玩笑.在这,警察让你干什么,你就得干什么.这是法律赋予警察的权利.
当然,加拿大不但是个法制国家,更是讲理的国家.你对警察的处理有什么不满意,你可以去法院challenge警察,这一点也是绝对有法律保障的.但你们千万不要当街就和警察整起来,这的警察就是政府的公器,政府的公信力是不容挑战的.如果哪位想以身试法,英勇献身为加拿大的法制建设添砖加瓦.那你大可以去试试,看看加拿大的警察敢不敢朝你开枪.
Good argument but you are at the wrong place though.
Lots of 51ers either are not capable of understanding or have an attiude of not accepting such a reality check.
楼上的几位,我真为你们几个担心.
加拿大是个法制国家,是真正意义上的法制国家.不是你们祖国的那个口头上的法制国家.
法律是庄严的,更是严肃的.开不得办点玩笑.在这,警察让你干什么,你就得干什么.这是法律赋予警察的权利.
当然,加拿大不但是个法制国家,更是讲理的国家.你对警察的处理有什么不满意,你可以去法院challenge警察,这一点也是绝对有法律保障的.但你们千万不要当街就和警察整起来,这的警察就是政府的公器,政府的公信力是不容挑战的.如果哪位想以身试法,英勇献身为加拿大的法制建设添砖加瓦.那你大可以去试试,看看加拿大的警察敢不敢朝你开枪
that's what i want to say.
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大夏侯草
2007-11-26 13:50
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最初由 祖宗, 发布：
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Hi, man, what are you talking about?
I can not prevent you to understand English in your chinese way. that' s your problem, not mine. I think policeman follow the local laws and rules. they perform their duty in decent and reasonable way.
in case you think policeman abuse their right and power, you can go to police station and argue with the policeman directly. I am not policeman, Talking to me is not working with your people. if it is not working that you talk with policeman, you can pounch on policeman nose, that is best way to express your angry.
ok? 😁 😁 😁
your English sucks.
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videogame
2007-11-26 13:27
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Look at the author's name. This person is something wrong definitely.
最初由 bigton 发布：
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That's the right question for you - Do you really understand and know English?
Police do follow the police use of force framework, which outlines when certain approaches are warranted. But, an RCMP officer can use his or her own discretion to decide when to deploy a Taser, according to Cpl. Gillis.
Apparently, the cops' applied discretion is exactly what people disagree and feel angry about.
And, he added, there are three groups of people that pepper spray may fail to subdue: 1) people suffering from a mental health crisis;
You know what's the meaning of "may"??? "May fail to subdue" doe NOT mean it's not an option! Learn English, buddy!
One more, you think the policy's current policies are the Bible? It's absolutely correct and doesn't allow citizen to question?
Can anyone answer following questions?
1) Why police didn't communicate to the man prior to Taser?
2) Why police tasered him TWICE?
Hi, man, what are you talking about?
I can not prevent you to understand English in your chinese way. that' s your problem, not mine. I think policeman follow the local laws and rules. they perform their duty in decent and reasonable way.
in case you think policeman abuse their right and power, you can go to police station and argue with the policeman directly. I am not policeman, Talking to me is not working with your people. if it is not working that you talk with policeman, you can pounch on policeman nose, that is best way to express your angry.
ok? 😁 😁 😁
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robinsky
2007-11-26 12:18
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凡是"狗同"该作者观点的, 毫无疑问与其属于同一科冷血动物
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小心为上
2007-11-26 12:05
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最初由 bigton 发布：
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Everyone can operate Taser or shotgun to shoot. Then why do we need a "trained" police officer??? Let's fire them all if they don't know how to handle the situation in a more humane way, or cut their pay to the lowest wage. They don't deserve it.
Police always handle this kind of situation in a more efficent way, not "humane" way. Because they were told to deal with a violent crazy man, not to visit daycare centre 😁
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bigton
2007-11-26 11:48
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最初由 祖宗, 发布：
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Do not be stupid!
If you want to struggle with a crazy pshycal guy, you can do it. but you do not have right to ask policeman to do anything in your stupid way? Try to keep these right words in your stupid mind. you dumb!
Everyone can operate Taser or shotgun to shoot. Then why do we need a "trained" police officer??? Let's fire them all if they don't know how to handle the situation in a more humane way, or cut their pay to the lowest wage. They don't deserve it.
Sorry, I think you have got me wrong. I respect the right/freedom that the editor picks up any article he likes, however, I think, for this one that stands for a stupid or laughable point, it's just a joke.
最初由 tongzhu 发布：
I think you have good point. However, under democratic system, it is legal for citizen to voice differently even if mainstream viewpoint is dominant , which can be applied to the case of Chinese Head Tax. At that time, it shows from the survey in 24 Metro about public attitude on repay head tax to Chinese most of canadian disagree with the decision of government. But for this case, the author neglects the testable and true evidences to support his arguement so that his point is relatively weak. Meanwhile, to publish the essay of this author indicates the editor of www.51.ca is very mature and skillful in democratic media system since he knows how to operate his forum in democratic society.
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rirei1994
2007-11-26 11:36
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最初由 摩洛伊斯兰阵线 发布：
你可真是政府的忠实的狗。
回复：Please read what the witness said
不看!
我只相信法院的宣判!
我相信加拿大政府的公信力.他能在最大程度上维护社会的公平和正义.
我不相信任何报纸和任何媒体及个人的片面之词!我只相信政府!
支持和相信自己的政府,是每一个现代民主社会公民的责任和义务!
你明白吗? 😠
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老态龙钟
2007-11-26 11:36
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最初由 一江春水向东 发布：
愚民
你看看youtube 上的评论
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qHKk5qQRzL4
turboricky3000 (1 hour ago)
There are four officers that are well trained in physical confrontation against one confused guy who can't even understand what they are saying. All they had to do was grab him and cuff him. They are scared to get a scratch or a bruse so they taser him because it's easier. In my opinion they were being lazy, or they just wanted to abuse him. maybe they should have had tea with him and he would still be alive.
teamneon (2 minutes ago)
Wow...i agree with turboricky....
4 cops standing 2 ft from the guy and they could have just grabbed him and cuffed him like we did before tasers....WTF
也许警察就是懒惰，使用最轻松的方式制服robert.
没看到robert对他们构成什么威胁。
我看这几个警察滥用taser的可能性很大。
Do not be stupid!
If you want to struggle with a crazy pshycal guy, you can do it. but you do not have right to ask policeman to do anything in your stupid way? Try to keep these right words in your stupid mind. you dumb!
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bigton
2007-11-26 11:33
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That's the right question for you - Do you really understand and know English?
Police do follow the police use of force framework, which outlines when certain approaches are warranted. But, an RCMP officer can use his or her own discretion to decide when to deploy a Taser, according to Cpl. Gillis.
Apparently, the cops' applied discretion is exactly what people disagree and feel angry about.
And, he added, there are three groups of people that pepper spray may fail to subdue: 1) people suffering from a mental health crisis;
You know what's the meaning of "may"??? "May fail to subdue" doe NOT mean it's not an option! Learn English, buddy!
One more, you think the policy's current policies are the Bible? It's absolutely correct and doesn't allow citizen to question?
Can anyone answer following questions?
1) Why police didn't communicate to the man prior to Taser?
2) Why police tasered him TWICE?
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昵称
2007-11-26 11:17
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你看看youtube 上的评论
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qHKk5qQRzL4
turboricky3000 (1 hour ago)
There are four officers that are well trained in physical confrontation against one confused guy who can't even understand what they are saying. All they had to do was grab him and cuff him. They are scared to get a scratch or a bruse so they taser him because it's easier. In my opinion they were being lazy, or they just wanted to abuse him. maybe they should have had tea with him and he would still be alive.
teamneon (2 minutes ago)
Wow...i agree with turboricky....
4 cops standing 2 ft from the guy and they could have just grabbed him and cuffed him like we did before tasers....WTF
也许警察就是懒惰，使用最轻松的方式制服robert.
没看到robert对他们构成什么威胁。
我看这几个警察滥用taser的可能性很大。
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老态龙钟
2007-11-26 10:38
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最初由 赫然 发布：
电击枪的使用程序
RCMP对于电击枪的使用程序是有指引的。
要控制目标人物，应当先使用警棍。不行的话，再用胡椒喷雾。再不行，最后再用电击枪。如果，目标人物没有武器，不建议使用电击枪。
从录像上来看，警察使用电击枪违反了相关指引。
以上内容是CBC播出过的。
Do you really understand and know English?
watch!!!!!!!!
When do police officers use Tasers? What are the rules of engagement?
Police do follow the police use of force framework, which outlines when certain approaches are warranted. But, an RCMP officer can use his or her own discretion to decide when to deploy a Taser, according to Cpl. Gillis.
"What we generally suggest is if it's a situation where O.C. spray, or pepper spray, would be appropriate for use, and that usually means I'm demonstrating some sort of combative or assault-like behaviour … that might be an appropriate choice for a Taser."
Const. George Schuurman, of the Toronto Police Service's public information department, also said there were no blanket guidelines. An officer would assess the situation based on their training, and use their judgment, he said.
Officers would also look at the environment, and if using pepper spray could possibly injure people nearby, or, for example, be sucked into the ventilation system and hurt innocent bystanders, Gillis said.
And, he added, there are three groups of people that pepper spray may fail to subdue: 1) people suffering from a mental health crisis; 2) people determined to charge/inflict harm; and 3) people under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The main mechanism of pepper spray, pain, may not stop these types of individuals from continuing combative behaviours, Gillis said. Since a Taser immobilizes them, it's the better option, he said. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tasers/
最初由 摩洛伊斯兰阵线 发布：
法盲无权愤怒！--关于波兰移民丧命机场的几点不同看法。
波兰新移民丧命机场，这本来是一起悲剧性的以外事故。没人愿意看到这场悲剧，部分英文媒体质疑警方关于非致命武器的使用问题，这是可以理解的。但让人想不到的，部分华人媒体，趁机兴奋做浪，煽动华人对加拿大政府的不满。这就十分不应该了。
首先，很多人以那盘路线为依据，指责加拿大警察烂用暴力。但事实是那样吗？那录像我也看了。从录像上看，说那波兰人失去理智是不过份的。有人说，那波兰人在机场十多小时没有帮助是因为语言不通，但大家都看见了，录像上有一个女人和那波兰人进行了对话，这就可以否定语言问题，也就是说不存在由于交流障碍导致那波兰人无法得到帮助。也就是说，如果那波蓝人有什么合理要求，他完全可以通过那个女人和机场方面进行交涉，但他没有。
其次，那波兰人的行为明显已经脱离了一个正常人的行为范围，他砸电脑，搬椅子等等行为，已经涉及到了对他人的危害。这是在任何国家任何社会制度条件下都不被允许的行为。他既然可以对公共财务进行损害，那谁能保证他下一部会对其他人的人人身安全进行侵害呢？谁能保证？很明显，谁都不能。
最后，也是最重要的。那四名皇家骑警是否草菅人命呢？录像显示了。警察曾试图和那波蓝人进行对话，试图对那波兰人发出命令。但遗憾的很，波兰人并没有遵循警察的命令，他依然在我行我素地自由走动。于是警察采用了暴力手段。结果可能出乎了警察的预料。但过程我们都看到了。警察对待那名波兰人和电视上对待其他的嫌疑犯没什么两样。不同的是，波兰人最后死了。
这就是事件的全部过程，警察有什么不对吗？警察有什么不对吗？警察是杀人犯吗？当然不是。电击枪是加拿大政府给警察配的，不是那几名警察自己造的。在武器的使用上，我也没看出有什么不妥，那波兰人肩宽背后，如果警察不采用必要的武器，那警察自己是不是也很危险呢？我们有什么理由要求警察去冒自己的生命危险去制服疑犯呢？如果你是警察，你会有枪不用而动手去抓吗？答案显然是否定的，除非是傻子。
最后提醒一下喊叫的各位。法律是规范人类平时行为的社会规范，他是强制性的，他是社会群体意志的体现，不是谁个人意志的体现。而警察是什么？警察是法律的维护者，是社会安全的保障者。相当程度上，警察的行为就是社会法律意志的体现。新移民来到加拿大，就要接受加拿大的社会制度，包括法律制度。任何挑战法律的，以法盲为头衔，以越盲越光荣为理念的愚蠢行为，都将遭到法律的严惩。
😠 YOU MUST BE SICK!!
关于波兰移民丧命机场的几点不同看法