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All Taser guns should be recalled due to their unsafe and poor quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05vuY-kqp9o
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http://info.51.ca/news/china/2007/11/29/141739.shtml 河南警察将市民从6楼抛下 震惊全国 加国无忧 51.CA 2007年11月29日 11:00 来源:四川新闻网 作者:廖卫华 核心提示:记者18日晚了解到,震惊全国的河南周口七一路派出所6名民警抛死李胜利案终审维持原判,3被告人均被以故意杀人罪判刑,其中李立田被判处死刑,吕留生被判处死刑,缓期二年执行,冷飞被判处无期徒刑。 成都商报11月29日报道 震惊全国的河南周口七一路派出所6名民警抛死李胜利案终审维持原判。 昨晚,李胜利家属向本报透露,他们刚刚拿到了河南省高级人民法院11月24日作出的对该案的终审判决书,判决维持原一审判决,3被告人均被以故意杀人罪判刑,其中七一路派出所民警李立田被判处死刑,区法院书记员吕留生被判处死刑,缓期二年执行,七一路派出所原副所长冷飞被判处无期徒刑。 在民事赔偿方面,二审法院依然没有支持被害人家属提出的精神损害赔偿的请求,最终判决的赔偿额为4.89万元。 昨晚,李胜利妹妹对记者说,这个判决她们还是不太满意,特别是民事赔偿太少。而此前,被告家属大闹法庭影响开庭的事情最终也没有受到应有的制裁。 新闻回放:只因对一名法院书记员的姐姐说了一句牢骚话,做小生意的河南周口市民李胜利竟丢了性命!2004年9月20日9时,他被6名民警押进派出所;5个小时后,被民警从派出所的6楼抛下;4个小时后,李胜利在医院悲惨地死去。 (本文来源:四川新闻网 作者:记者廖卫华)
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http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200711&postID=34734 警匪一家,从小就是这样被告知的。当然讲的多是解放前,说戴大盖帽的国民党警察,对贫苦老百姓,从来都是恶狠狠的,跟土匪没啥两样。电影上都是这么塑造的。 后来改革开放了,人民的警察也戴上了大盖帽。在光天化日之下,他们对贫苦老百姓,尤其对“疑似”罪犯,无业游民,从来就没客气过---不仅恶言相向,甚至拳打脚踢。从张志新到广州街头大学生被杀,中国警察的“无法无天”算是抹不掉了。 后来到了海外,皇家骑警的大盖帽,曾经让多少人以为那才是咱老百姓的保护人。你看,他们对“疑似”罪犯、“无照驾驶”、街道小商贩、无业游民,“看上去”总是那么的彬彬有礼。 ----直到有一天,媒体报道了三名警察抓了一个吸毒惯犯,把他扔到警车上,私自带到市内的斯丹利公园痛打一顿,然后把他扔在了那里。 ----直到有一天有人爆窃,警察说没伤人吧,一个小时后才到。 ----直到有一天有人违规,警察二话没说,就把一个手无寸器的东方弱小男子反锁“扔”进了警车和监狱,一天之后才被朋友保出。 从那时起,皇家骑警的大盖帽在咱的大脑里就和中国的新老警察没了区别,也是警匪一家没啥两样。 从那时起,一看到有人入籍就与毫无干系的皇家骑警作个留念,立马让人有了讨厌的感觉。 曾几何时,一个年轻的骑警在边远地方被干掉了;去支援的另一位骑警一进门又被干掉了;然后,第三位更离谱,看到两辆警车停在哪,就去看热闹,大摇大摆的一进门,立马又被干掉。从那时起,不仅让人对骑警的安全悲哀,而且更让人对骑警的专业训练无素而悲哀。 当一个不谙英文的新移民在那个根本没多少乘客的安全区(一看那录像就知道那位置)逗留了10个小时没人过问,四个骑警来了不到24秒,不问青红皂白,不请懂波兰语/俄语的翻译,就连续电击,大打出手,致使一个人死亡。这是什么地方,是他们认为的第三世界还是他们认为的不民主专制的共党国家,都不是,那是地地道道的民主之地,那是人们向往着移民的全球最易居住城市的国际机场大厅。---那自由国度的"国际机场”,南来北往的啥人没有,不懂英文太正常了。要是机场管理者认为每个乘客都会说英文,那也实在太无知太乡下了。机场的入境服务和那些警察的表现真的太残酷太让人失望了.... 冷酷的入境人员,野蛮的警察,无奈的旅客和移民,跟着遭殃的市民! 在这警察无法无天恶手相向市民的时候,一般媒体是没有渠道获得警察的不良资料的,获得了也没有胆量去报道。倒是现在的相机手机让市民成了现场直击报道的记者。这位现场拍下资料的白人小伙子,刚从中国教ESL回来,就在自己的祖国看到了一幕让他们大多数白人认为只有中国一类的国家才会发生的事情。接着,机场的骑警也和中国的警察一样,立马没收了小伙子的相机和资料。你说,他们要干什么? 记得十多年前,那个从加国飞往印度的印航爆炸案,据说有人线报骑警,说有人要炸毁几几班机.那时还没发生911,据说骑警老爷们没当回事,没任何动作,致使满机两百号印裔(大多是加国公民)成为空中亡魂。到了几年后检察官要起诉嫌犯,有关骑警的录音带不见了。不仅起诉不了嫌疑人员,人家还反咬一口要政府付律师费和赔赏多年的损失。印裔社区的一位编辑想爆料,结果被人打成了残废作为警告。再过不久,这位编辑仁兄在自家门口被人杀人灭了口。 到了今天,波兰新移民遭殃的时代不同了。那位教ESL的小小市民告上法院,要求骑警还回录像。一个月后申诉得直。小伙子立马将录像在网上公布,骑警一定认为稀松平常小事一桩,一定没想到全国会一片哗然,更没想到全省共讨之,全球共遣之。这一下,让骑警的脸面丢尽了,机场的脸面丢尽了,加国的脸面丢尽了。 接着,在全球舆论的压力下,有关记者按新闻法从警方获得有关资料: ---自从加国开始使用电击枪以来,过去10年,共有18位加国人死在电击枪下。那么在全球有多少人们死在同型产品下,没人知道。这让我想到中国生产的儿童书架,成千上万输往全世界,两宗翻倒事件让两个小童亡命,中国的书架被爆料不安全而被全面退货。那这种美国独家生产的电击枪怎不见召回?加美的警察为什么还照用不误?难道这18个案例就不如那两个案例?----再一次赤裸裸地爆露了西方列强的对人不对己。他们对美国对中国的安全标准明明显现的不一样。 ---自从加国开始使用电击枪以来,过去10年,共有3000名骑警使用过电击枪,并且79%的电击枪使用全是对付手无寸器的人们。正像录像中看到的一样,骑警普遍地过分使用电击枪,“执法者”的暴力倾向极为明显。 ---从1992年起,每年光这个省就有18个省民死于警方的调查过程中,其中包括死于被捕过程或拘留所。赖昌星说他的哥哥死于中国监狱,所以要作为免除遣返的理由之一。你看看,原来这鸟地方也一样,每年也有18个鸟人死于察哥手里,那你说这还能作为免除被遣返的理由吗? ---从今年7月23日起,交通警也配置了电击枪。驾驶者的你也要小心了。哪天交警一烦躁,说不定也来个电击把你先撂倒。 ---一个北温的白人女子致电911说自己情绪沮丧想和人倾诉,结果来了三名骑警,一进门就向她三用电击,并强行将她手铐送往医院。现该女子正在控告警方滥用武力,让自己的人生更沮丧,要求赔偿。 ---更要命的是,就在这位波兰新移民在温哥华被电死之日---10月14日,Montreal地区的一个驾车男子,也被警方电击,在医院延至17日死亡---成为加国警方电击枪下第20位亡魂。 ---正当我要结束这篇短文的时候,传来了又一个死亡的消息:一个饱遭骑警警棍、胡椒、电击枪三料制服的Fraser Valley白人居民,在医院留医三日终于不治---成为加国警方电击枪下第21位亡魂。多事之秋的皇家骑警,正渐渐地失去人心和理解。 是到了检讨警察过分使用武力的时候了!是到了检讨电击枪的安全可行性问题的时候了! 按警察内部的指引是,用电击枪前,要告知对方“我们现在要用电击枪”,目的是希望他们能冷静下来。但那24秒钟,短短的24秒,他们作了什么让人冷静的事?说了什么让人冷静的话?一来就挥枪制服,大打出手,怎能不让人发指。BC省的公民协会呼吁警察暂停使用电击枪,直到公众咨询完毕。然而,入境服务处的人没有道歉的意思,警察高层的回应是:那只是意外。 按此理论,不晓得那两个被倒下书架压死的孩童是否也算意外?两个案例可以让上万的书架一定要收回,难道21个案例还不够理由要收回那可怕的电击枪?入境服务处的人傲慢无礼,警察的理由牵强附会。他们面子蛮横可恶,你说,公民的安全如何保障,旅客和移民的“理”子在哪里? ------- 附: 目前的警用电击枪有两种: M26,高杀伤武器,对付高危险人物。电力可达10.7米,达50,000伏特,可以击穿5层布料。但警方说他的功率只是1.76焦耳。----真不知是如何算出来的。 X26,比M26轻巧,也是10.7米,电压一样高达万伏。 到底电死新移民的是哪种,警察不透露。 在加国,电击枪是危禁武器,市民不可拥有。而美国则可买作民用。加国只有一家公司M.D.Charleton有执照进口电击枪。全部卖给警方。 全球只有美国Arizona的Taser(泰羧枪) International公司生产这种电击枪---CED: Conductive Energy Device。Taser公司说,全球44个国家的1.1万个机构有用这种枪。 尽管温市有自个的市警察,尽管这的国际机场前面冠上温市的名,但机场地属Richmond市,安全归骑警管辖范围。不过,温市市警最近也新进了79支Taser(泰羧枪)电击枪。 由杨子张贴 @ 2007-11-25 1246 (1595)
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最初由 老張 发布: 感興趣,能否給個聯結,或者貼出來? 齐康斯基10月13日抵温哥华机场后,在机场内逗留达10个小时,最后遭骑警电击暴毙。他在机场内行踪如何,海关人员是怎样处理他的入境报到手续,一直是个未解的谜团。 在各界极大压力下,加拿大边境服务署昨天终于公布齐康斯基的通关过程。 边境服务署表示,齐康斯基是10月13日下午3时20分搭机抵温,4时09分通过第一道检查。由于他是新移民,且不会说英语,海关人员指示他前往移民部的第二道检查站。 但齐康斯基未至第二道检查站,而迳自前往领取行李区,在那里一待就是六个多小时。据悉他母亲曾嘱咐他到行李区等她,却忘了该区是不准接机者进入的管制区。边境服务署说,该区有两个足球场大,当时约有四千多名旅客进出。边境服务署坦承不清楚他这段时间在做什么。 7时左右,海关接到齐康斯基继父的电话,询问齐康斯基下落。该官员环顾海关检查区,称未见到符合所形容的男子。挂上电话前,该官员获知齐康斯基身上带有母亲的手机号码。 10时40分,齐康斯基终于企图走出海关,官员发现他尚未完成报到手续,就领他到第二道检查站。当时找不到波兰语翻译员,但有一名官员会一点点波兰语,协助齐康斯基办理报到手续。 11时30分,官员得知齐康斯基的家人早先曾找他,两度对大厅广播,看他们是否还在等候,但此时齐康斯基的继父和母亲已在返回甘露市的路上。官员打电话至甘露市家中,也无人应答。 过了午夜,齐康斯基终于通过第二道检查,官员告诉他可以出关了。但他在该区又坐了30分钟,直到官员再度告诉他可以走了,并领他到出口。 边境服务署表示,这期间齐康斯基从未向任何官员要求协助,也没有异常举动。海关官员曾给他好几杯水喝。 齐康斯基走出海关后,又折回管制区内。凌晨约1时20分,机场保安接获齐康斯基闹事通知。1时30分,齐康斯基被骑警电击,随后当场死亡。 齐康斯基的母亲抵家后,于2时10分打电话至温哥华机场询问。不知情的海关官员告诉她,齐康斯基已离开海关。 2
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Taser is not weapon but it is dangers to those who have heart problem. In local newspaper the biggest discussion is about it: How safe it is, should it allow to be used or should its use be limited. Some people even suggest to use the club as before(类似棒球杆). Not many people blame policeman. No matter what kind of tools policeman use, accident can happen. On the other hand some people also say that Taser save a lot of lives. Because in some cases police have to use gun, but they use taser instead.
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你******一派胡言,放狗屁
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最初由 祖宗, 发布: 回复:Taser mental patients ? That's the most stupid opinion in this forum i have heard.. Why do the cop need to struggle with criminal? why do not the cop have enough reason to pu their safty on the top? what a nonsense you said! if you were cop you can do anything regardless yourself sfaty,that' is your problem. but you cannot require other policeman to do in your stupid way. in case of you are not cop, and you expect safety either, the best way for you is do anything according the laws strictly. if you unfortunately were involved in any trouble, do not wish cop can forgive you . because their duty is to stop and punish criminal. 尽管经常和你的旧ID吵架, 但这件事还是要顶你几下 😁
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最初由 胡硕士 发布: 俺认为文章说得有道理. 建议大家看今天世界日报报道的事件全过程.
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俺认为文章说得有道理. 建议大家看今天世界日报报道的事件全过程.
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最初由 td_ld4 发布: 回复:回复:4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束,不满意吗?对不起忍着吧,否则请离开回到 颠倒黑白,这是你个人的理解。代表加拿大司法制度的警方可不这么认为,至今只表示遗憾,但拒绝道歉,认为边境官员从头到尾都没做错。 不错,没有人有权要求你离开,这完全是你个人的事,不过我们只是好心为你好,既然这里常有让你生气的颠倒黑白的事发生,何必死赖在这里生闷气,和自己过不去?加拿大就是这样一个自由的地方,喜欢的留,不喜欢的滚蛋,就这么简单!!! Agree!! 👍️ 👍️
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回复:网友来稿:使用TASER是正确的选择! 请问作者:你怎么评论警察在没有仔细调查而错捕无辜的人后又修改证据(STATEMENT和911记录)的行为?
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“当被拘捕人积极反抗的话,警察就可以使用中级武力,如BATON, OC-SPRAY, TASER“,从录像中看出被害人并没有反抗,警察并没有用BATON, OC-SPRAY这样的伤害低的武器而直接用有过很多致命案例的TASER,就等于是谋杀!!!!
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最初由 wu831 发布: http://info.51.ca/news/canada/2007/11/26/141535.shtml We should read this article in 51.ca. To me these four police should be fire. Because first they overreact on the case, second they provide the false information to public . 既然他们做得那么正确,为什么要撒谎呢?为什么要编造现场情况?
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最初由 decen 发布: 回复:4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束,不满意吗?对不起忍着吧,否则请离开回到 这世界黑白颠倒的事大多了。有权利的人滥用职权,没权利的人就该死。天下乌鸦一般黑。 你没有权利要求我们离开。 他是没有权利要求你们离开,但是他喜欢要求,至少在虚拟世界里表现一下"似乎"有权也使此人很满足。你不妨让他满足一下,就当可怜一下他吧!
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最初由 td_ld4 发布: 4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束,不满意吗?对不起忍着吧,否则请离开回到原住地 来自警察的这篇文章是最有利的论据,4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束,这也是加拿大主流社会和司法体制对那帮不停争吵的波兰移民支持们者最好的回答,不满意吗?对不起忍着吧,否则就请离开回到原住地。 这位先生好像很有权威似的,动不动叫这个离开加拿大叫那个滚,不知道他是否还知道自己是谁?以为这是他们家?他的精神是否出了问题? 😆
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最初由 累泊Trucker 发布: Taser mental patients ? They all have tendency to commit a bit violence, are you going to taser them all? No, you should not taser them. Cops in this country are too lazy. And perhaps need more training in Kungfu. Cops need to physically confront with some people. Cops should not avoid confrontation by just shooting them. When cops are talking about "safety", I know they are talking about their own safety, not people's safety. That is very selfish. That's the most stupid opinion in this forum i have heard.. Why do the cop need to struggle with criminal? why do not the cop have enough reason to pu their safty on the top? what a nonsense you said! if you were cop you can do anything regardless yourself sfaty,that' is your problem. but you cannot require other policeman to do in your stupid way. in case of you are not cop, and you expect safety either, the best way for you is do anything according the laws strictly. if you unfortunately were involved in any trouble, do not wish cop can forgive you . because their duty is to stop and punish criminal.
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I believe that's exactly the point regarding this incident. Don't bullshit the "procedure" or "non-lethal weapon" any more. 最初由 累泊Trucker 发布: Taser mental patients ? They all have tendency to commit a bit violence, are you going to taser them all? No, you should not taser them. Cops in this country are too lazy. And perhaps need more training in Kungfu. Cops need to physically confront with some people. Cops should not avoid confrontation by just shooting them. When cops are talking about "safety", I know they are talking about their own safety, not people's safety. That is very selfish.
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最初由 nicehere员 发布: I have to clarify it, Do you know what is SUI and what is SIU ??? Whatever, man, it is not big deal, right? The most important is there are somebody do something for the equity and justification. that's the point. Sorry for my little fault. forget it.
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最初由 祖宗, 发布: Easy, man, easy. Who do forbid you to make your own voice? who delete your posts? nobody! you can speak anything if you want,you can ask any question if you want, but you do not have right to require other people to answer your question. got it? this is the point. this is essential of any democratic socity. do you understand? After SUI finish their investigation, i think you can got a result of that accident. whatever, if you satisfy the result, you can take it, if you don't satisfy it, you have to take still. that's the reality. What you can do? you can do something in next election to make a new government behalf on youself. that's only one thing you can. see? I have to clarify it, Do you know what is SUI and what is SIU ???
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最初由 bigton 发布: Why the heck the writer needs to publish such article? As he's speaking, why can't I question? You think you are the police in China or I am the citizen in China? If you people who defend what RCMP has done in this issue can't face these questions, the other people will have their own judgment. Easy, man, easy. Who do forbid you to make your own voice? who delete your posts? nobody! you can speak anything if you want,you can ask any question if you want, but you do not have right to require other people to answer your question. got it? this is the point. this is essential of any democratic socity. do you understand? After SUI finish their investigation, i think you can got a result of that accident. whatever, if you satisfy the result, you can take it, if you don't satisfy it, you have to take still. that's the reality. What you can do? you can do something in next election to make a new government behalf on youself. that's only one thing you can. see?
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The result is still 50:50, depends on if somebody can fund the victim in the form of some kind of non-profit fundation to hire a top level lawyer, law is not always defined everything, you need to dig up......
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最初由 decen 发布: 回复:4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束,不满意吗?对不起忍着吧,否则请离开回到 这世界黑白颠倒的事大多了。有权利的人滥用职权,没权利的人就该死。天下乌鸦一般黑。 你没有权利要求我们离开。 颠倒黑白,这是你个人的理解。代表加拿大司法制度的警方可不这么认为,至今只表示遗憾,但拒绝道歉,认为边境官员从头到尾都没做错。 不错,没有人有权要求你离开,这完全是你个人的事,不过我们只是好心为你好,既然这里常有让你生气的颠倒黑白的事发生,何必死赖在这里生闷气,和自己过不去?加拿大就是这样一个自由的地方,喜欢的留,不喜欢的滚蛋,就这么简单!!!
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Why the heck the writer needs to publish such article? As he's speaking, why can't I question? You think you are the police in China or I am the citizen in China? If you people who defend what RCMP has done in this issue can't face these questions, the other people will have their own judgment. 最初由 祖宗, 发布: Why are the policemen necessary to answer your question? are you anti-criminal expert? the writer already told you SUI did real investigation about that accident? is it not enough? what do you want? how the policeman do can satisfy you?
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一個正常的人會亂砸椅子甚至電腦?會十多小時找不到出口? 相信不少人也去過不懂當地語言的國家。
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最初由 bigton 发布: Can the writer pls answer following questions: 1) why the taser was used the second time after the man was already subdued? 2) why the RCMP didn't apply CPR after the man passed out? Why are the policemen necessary to answer your question? are you anti-criminal expert? the writer already told you SUI did real investigation about that accident? is it not enough? what do you want? how the policeman do can satisfy you?
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Can the writer pls answer following questions: 1) why the taser was used the second time after the man was already subdued? 2) why the RCMP didn't apply CPR after the man passed out?
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最初由 td_ld4 发布: 4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束,不满意吗?对不起忍着吧,否则请离开回到原住地 来自警察的这篇文章是最有利的论据,4名RCMP最终将以恢复原职而结束,这也是加拿大主流社会和司法体制对那帮不停争吵的波兰移民支持们者最好的回答,不满意吗?对不起忍着吧,否则就请离开回到原住地。 这世界黑白颠倒的事大多了。有权利的人滥用职权,没权利的人就该死。天下乌鸦一般黑。 你没有权利要求我们离开。
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最初由 wu831 发布: 回复:有其母必有其子,两个不自量力者自食其果 -不回波兰母子团聚的下场 Open you eyes watch the video in youtube When the police came, the poor guy did not do anything wrong he just stand there. Why police can not do anything else other than shot to resolve the problem. The police already knew he can not speak english because the security guy already told them when the police came. Just listen the video. ? If that guy did nothing wrong, why the security guy called police? The police already knew he can not speak english, and nobody can understand his language. So what the policeman should do? ---Standing there wait for him to get mad again? If this guy can bring a card with tel no. & contact person's name on it..........
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你应该首先被TASER打过一次后再重新考虑这个问题,警察同志。
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最初由 wu831 发布: 回复:有其母必有其子,两个不自量力者自食其果 -不回波兰母子团聚的下场 Open you eyes watch the video in youtube When the police came, the poor guy did not do anything wrong he just stand there. Why police can not do anything else other than shot to resolve the problem. The police already knew he can not speak english because the security guy already told them when the police came. Just listen the video. And you argument about destroy the window of store is total incomparable on this case because the man at that time did not do anything aggressive. Also how come 4 strong RCMP did not have confidence to subdue that guy just with physical force. That poor man do not have any deadly weapon and his two hands are all out and his cloth are all open. Do RCMP have that kind of training? If RCMP have just gun not taser, do they just kill that man right way? Thanks for you showing your foolish directly. If or not that the poor guy did not do anything wrong he just stand there is not up to you. you can not make any decision. but , on the opposite, the policeman have right to decide how to do. yes, policeman have right. because they are dedicated to do it. they are policeman! Try to change your used mind to follow the morden social laws, do not be a local lady any more. good luck.
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