Games no place for politics: Rally
Chinese-Canadians take protest to
By Tracey Tong and Tim Wieclawski
April 14, 2008 12:12
After weeks of pro-Tibet rallies across Canada, more than 5,000 Chinese-Canadians demonstrated on Parliament Hill yesterday to call for an end to the politicizing of the upcoming Olympic Games in Beijing.
The rally protested the violence happening in the Tibet region and also that the Summer Games are being mixed up with politics, according to Adam Wang, a spokesman for the event that was also meant to show support for the “One China” policy — a principle that mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet and Taiwan are all part of China.
Derek Chin, a Carleton University commerce student who came from China five years ago, was holding a sign that read “Politics out of Olympics.”
“The news these days are all about people around the world that attacked the torch relay. We need to show support to the Olympic Games because no politics should be involved in the Olympic games. The Games are for the whole world. That’s the slogan we have, one world one dream. I don’t think any people or organization should show any kind of political involvement.”
Wang said the One China policy is a view taken by more than 100 countries, including Canada.
“The message from our community is that China is changing — economically, politically and from a human rights standpoint — for the better,” Wang said. “China is getting more important on the world stage of politics and economy.”
For the most part, the non-Chinese community is well informed on the issues, he said. “But we’re hoping this rally will give them more information. We’re hoping to raise awareness so that people can understand the other side of the story.”
Kai Shen said western media has been biased against China.
“You need to understand the history of Tibet and China before you decide,” said the Ottawa chemist. “Without that knowledge, you cannot say anything.”
最初由 Sedona 发布：
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你引用的部分，人家在说有些一贯支持共产主义的人会有这样的错误的想法。
识字吗?他们 用这个歧视性词汇: segregation
在北美洲, segregation和黑奴有关的
Racial segregation is characterized by separation of different racial groups in daily life, such as eating in a restaurant, drinking from a water fountain, using a rest room, attending school, going to the movies, or in the rental or purchase of a home. Segregation may be mandated by law or exist through social norms. Segregation may be maintained by means ranging from discrimination in hiring and in the rental and sale of housing to certain races to vigilante violence such as lynchings; a situation that arises when members of different races mutually prefer to associate and do business with members of their own race would usually be described as separation or de facto separation' of the races rather than segregation. Legal segregation in both South Africa and the U.S. was required and came with "anti-miscegenation laws" (prohibitions against interracial marriage) and laws against hiring people of the race that is the object of discrimination in any but menial positions.
Segregation in hiring practices contributes to economic imbalance between the races. Segregation, however, often allowed close contact in hierarchical situations, such as allowing a person of one race to work as a servant for a member of another race. Segregation can involve spatial separation of the races, and/or mandatory use of different institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation
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识字吗?他们 用这个歧视性词汇: segregation
在北美洲, segregation和黑奴有关的
Racial segregation is characterized by separation of different racial groups in daily life, such as eating in a restaurant, drinking from a water fountain, using a rest room, attending school, going to the movies, or in the rental or purchase of a home. Segregation may be mandated by law or exist through social norms. Segregation may be maintained by means ranging from discrimination in hiring and in the rental and sale of housing to certain races to vigilante violence such as lynchings; a situation that arises when members of different races mutually prefer to associate and do business with members of their own race would usually be described as separation or de facto separation' of the races rather than segregation. Legal segregation in both South Africa and the U.S. was required and came with "anti-miscegenation laws" (prohibitions against interracial marriage) and laws against hiring people of the race that is the object of discrimination in any but menial positions.
Segregation in hiring practices contributes to economic imbalance between the races. Segregation, however, often allowed close contact in hierarchical situations, such as allowing a person of one race to work as a servant for a member of another race. Segregation can involve spatial separation of the races, and/or mandatory use of different institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation
I noticed this word. The perception you cited doesn't come from and represent Canadian value. Whether a civilized ppl likes this word? As far as I know, refugees like it.
Am I wrong?
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2008-04-14 11:01
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Your citation reflects the thoughs of fresh off the BOAT, rather than of canadian. Canada is called as "peaceful country" other than political country.
识字吗?他们 用这个歧视性词汇: segregation
在北美洲, segregation和黑奴有关的
Racial segregation is characterized by separation of different racial groups in daily life, such as eating in a restaurant, drinking from a water fountain, using a rest room, attending school, going to the movies, or in the rental or purchase of a home. Segregation may be mandated by law or exist through social norms. Segregation may be maintained by means ranging from discrimination in hiring and in the rental and sale of housing to certain races to vigilante violence such as lynchings; a situation that arises when members of different races mutually prefer to associate and do business with members of their own race would usually be described as separation or de facto separation' of the races rather than segregation. Legal segregation in both South Africa and the U.S. was required and came with "anti-miscegenation laws" (prohibitions against interracial marriage) and laws against hiring people of the race that is the object of discrimination in any but menial positions.
Segregation in hiring practices contributes to economic imbalance between the races. Segregation, however, often allowed close contact in hierarchical situations, such as allowing a person of one race to work as a servant for a member of another race. Segregation can involve spatial separation of the races, and/or mandatory use of different institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation
最初由 一见你就笑 发布：
来加拿大就因为本国很差，这什么逻辑？加拿大人都是从其他国家过来的，是不是世界都很差，他自己不就是流亡海外的后裔，数典忘宗。
They are refugees and suffered bunch of pains. Please understand their emotions.
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Anti-Chinese Sentiment: Mainstream Forum
Biased and discriminatory? What in blazes are you muttering about?
These are people, some of them not the best and the brightest from the PRC , who have been indoctrinated by decades of Commie propaganda and disinformation . They believe that the Chinese are the superior race and culture and that the decadent West will in time be overwhelmed by Chinese ingenuity, persistence and numbers. Any segregation is strictly self imposed . Should we be allowing these people who don't wish to integrate into the prevailing culture to come here?
Canada was a second strong country just behind US. But Canada had been the first since CND appreciated and surpassed USD last year. 😁
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2008-04-14 10:36
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There are basically three types of Chinese in Canada: CBC (Canadian Born Chinese), FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) and Hong Kong immigrants.
The CBC are culturally Canadian for most intents and purposes. The Hong Kong immigrants have generally been in Canada for a dozen years or more and many came here specifically out of a fear of a loss of the British political sensibilities due to the 1997 handover to Beijing.
However, the FOB are a wholly different group. Most are university students, many have good English skills, and many have been in Canada for several years, but that doesn't overcome 18 years of indoctrination by the communists .
They don't understand Canadian cultural values. One said to me: "Democracy would never work in China: you can't have a billion people doing whatever they want!"
It's likely the pro-Chinese protesters sincerely believe the propaganda line that they have been told by the communists in Beijing over the courtse of their lifetime.
Your citation reflects the thoughs of fresh off the BOAT, rather than of canadian. Canada is called as "peaceful country" other than political country.
"加拿大国会西藏之友会主席(Canadian Parliamentary Friends of Tibet)、参议员迪尼诺(Consiglio Di Nino)对CTV的记者表示，西藏事件其错误方为藏人而非中国政府的观点太过谬误。他表示：中国政府坚持西藏问题为中国内政的观点，在世界范围内广受争议。而且，内政也不是压迫藏人的借口，更不是否认自由和人权的理由，因自由和人权没有国界。"--------'自由和人权汉有国界“，他这岂不是鼓励中国人大可以提出议案对美国和加拿大的土著居民进行人权调查吗？亦或是鼓励华人也对美加的人权现象进行游行示威。
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2008-04-14 10:30
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Biased and discriminatory? What in blazes are you muttering about?
These are people, some of them not the best and the brightest from the PRC , who have been indoctrinated by decades of Commie propaganda and disinformation . They believe that the Chinese are the superior race and culture and that the decadent West will in time be overwhelmed by Chinese ingenuity, persistence and numbers. Any segregation is strictly self imposed . Should we be allowing these people who don't wish to integrate into the prevailing culture to come here?
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2008-04-14 10:28
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最初由 小心谨慎 发布：
老外的评论:
A. Hartshorn
I hope these Olympics are completely boycotted. China's human rights stink! They can't even feed and house their own people! They are a third world country and the stupid Olympic Committee should never have considered them for the games. Long Live Tibet (and Taiwan), and pray for freedom in China.
Richard N
I was at the demo. It was an ugly display of racial hatred. People brought some tibetans to tears telling them to "go home" and some said "we wish you were dead." Disgusting.
olympicme
It's very interesting to notice some people put words like "third world country" in their comment, at same time west label China as next superpower who possiblely over take US in coming decades.
Murray Maccallum
If things are so marvelous in China, what are all these people doing here in Canada? I do not think of myself as recist, but they need to answer the question.
看看这思维方式，老外的评论？ 😁
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2008-04-14 10:26
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A little additional information from Chinese immigrants forum I gathered. A small group of people keeps on spreading the words that the Western is behind Tibetans freedom movement by demonizing Chinese government. Therefore, everyone who loves China shall show “them”, the Western, the truth.
I spent sometime on the forum trying to do some fact checking with them. Soon I realized that they were not that interested in facts . They seemed to want to use this rally as a demonstration of the power of immigrants from PRC. Some of them might have political ambition in Canadian politics.
That is a little concerning to me as if all the new immigrants from China hear whence they arrive is the Western media and politicians are biased and discriminatory, they might be more segregated from the rest of society.
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2008-04-14 10:23
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最初由 Sedona 发布：
From Free Dominion
There are basically three types of Chinese in Canada: CBC (Canadian Born Chinese), FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) and Hong Kong immigrants.
The CBC are culturally Canadian for most intents and purposes. The Hong Kong immigrants have generally been in Canada for a dozen years or more and many came here specifically out of a fear of a loss of the British political sensibilities due to the 1997 handover to Beijing.
However, the FOB are a wholly different group. Most are university students, many have good English skills, and many have been in Canada for several years, but that doesn't overcome 18 years of indoctrination by the communists .
They don't understand Canadian cultural values. One said to me: "Democracy would never work in China: you can't have a billion people doing whatever they want!"
It's likely the pro-Chinese protesters sincerely believe the propaganda line that they have been told by the communists in Beijing over the courtse of their lifetime.
there will be another round of immigration control to Chinese
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2008-04-14 10:21
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There are basically three types of Chinese in Canada: CBC (Canadian Born Chinese), FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) and Hong Kong immigrants.
The CBC are culturally Canadian for most intents and purposes. The Hong Kong immigrants have generally been in Canada for a dozen years or more and many came here specifically out of a fear of a loss of the British political sensibilities due to the 1997 handover to Beijing.
However, the FOB are a wholly different group. Most are university students, many have good English skills, and many have been in Canada for several years, but that doesn't overcome 18 years of indoctrination by the communists .
They don't understand Canadian cultural values. One said to me: "Democracy would never work in China: you can't have a billion people doing whatever they want!"
It's likely the pro-Chinese protesters sincerely believe the propaganda line that they have been told by the communists in Beijing over the courtse of their lifetime.
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基本上说:如果着次集会是YY用的, 那么非常成功
如果目的是SHOW给加拿大人的, 那么是极其失败
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CTV Ottawa- Thousands protest to show support for China - CTV News ...The organizer of this demonstration provides free bus ride to people from Toronto. They also provide gas money reimburse to who drive there by car. ...
www.ctvottawa.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20080413/OTT_chinese_protest_080413/20080413/?hub=OttawaHome - 15 hours ago -
老外的评论:
A. Hartshorn
I hope these Olympics are completely boycotted. China's human rights stink! They can't even feed and house their own people! They are a third world country and the stupid Olympic Committee should never have considered them for the games. Long Live Tibet (and Taiwan), and pray for freedom in China.
Richard N
I was at the demo. It was an ugly display of racial hatred. People brought some tibetans to tears telling them to "go home" and some said "we wish you were dead." Disgusting.
olympicme
It's very interesting to notice some people put words like "third world country" in their comment, at same time west label China as next superpower who possiblely over take US in coming decades.
Murray Maccallum
If things are so marvelous in China, what are all these people doing here in Canada? I do not think of myself as recist, but they need to answer the question.
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2008-04-14 10:15
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CTV Ottawa- Thousands protest to show support for China - CTV News ...The organizer of this demonstration provides free bus ride to people from Toronto. They also provide gas money reimburse to who drive there by car. ...
www.ctvottawa.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20080413/OTT_chinese_protest_080413/20080413/?hub=OttawaHome - 15 hours ago -
413集会：主流社会和西人媒体怎么看?