戈尔巴乔夫20年后醒悟 西方在愚弄俄

What are you talking about? If the US disappears, all China's foreign reserve, its largest market, biggest investor also disappear. Hundreds of millions Chinese workers producing export goods lose their jobs and go on the streets to confront the communist regime. Can the CCP afford this consequence? The Chinese leaders and the American politicians, capitalists are already wearing the same pants, they are in honeymoon, working hand-in-hand to exploit poor workers in both countries and the world, and further enrich themselves. Only short-sighted little guys like you still dream of seeing them fighting someday. 说你脑残还真不过分，美国没有了，美国人在中国的投资就都是中国的了。中国在美国的投资才区区8千亿，也就够和美国打一场中等规模的战争。至于就业问题，美国都不存在了，中国就可以一门心思对内，即便有内乱都不在话下，更何况还有美国人的资产在中国打底。中美合作是基于现实，换句话说，离婚的代价太大时大家都选择不离，但如果杀人代价更小时，大家就用杀人代替离婚了。

What are you talking about? If the US disappears, all China's foreign reserve, its largest market, biggest investor also disappear. Hundreds of millions Chinese workers producing export goods lose their jobs and go on the streets to confront the communist regime. Can the CCP afford this consequence? The Chinese leaders and the American politicians, capitalists are already wearing the same pants, they are in honeymoon, working hand-in-hand to exploit poor workers in both countries and the world, and further enrich themselves. Only short-sighted little guys like you still dream of seeing them fighting someday. 你真是蠢到了家，中共领导人的子女在美国接受教育难道就是“so they don't have the slightest interest to see the US fail.”。正相反，他们希望明天一醒来美国就从地球消失，可实际上美国并不会主动消失，其他国家也没有能力让美国消失，于是只好利用一下，算是没有办法的办法。中美互相需要是现实利益的结果，也是冠冕堂皇的话，实际是各自都能独立生存，虽然没有共存的益处更大。要知道，美国独立之前中国就独自生存了几千年。 另外，实在是不想再看你的帖子，那也叫英文，猜得我头痛。

So you agreed: US and China need each other. Also on the personal level, most of the leaders in China have family and properties in the US and western countries, their children receive education in the west, so they don't have the slightest interest to see the US fail. Their only demand is for the US to not help change CCP's dictatorship ruling in China which the American appear to be complying, because they need China too. 你真是蠢到了家，中共领导人的子女在美国接受教育难道就是“so they don't have the slightest interest to see the US fail.”。正相反，他们希望明天一醒来美国就从地球消失，可实际上美国并不会主动消失，其他国家也没有能力让美国消失，于是只好利用一下，算是没有办法的办法。中美互相需要是现实利益的结果，也是冠冕堂皇的话，实际是各自都能独立生存，虽然没有共存的益处更大。要知道，美国独立之前中国就独自生存了几千年。 另外，实在是不想再看你的帖子，那也叫英文，猜得我头痛。

I'm glad I can give you this confidence. I admit my English is extremely poor, I think 'on the personal level' is a proper English phrase, but maybe it's not. Anyway, I think this forum is for discussing political topics, not how poor my English is. But if my terrible English can offer you guys some laughing material and also boost your confidence, I think I better continue, thanks. 哈哈哈。拜读、欣赏、受益。 听君一席话，自己才恍然大悟。原来如此：怪不得咱即使查核遍了所有的中、外英文著名词典、都还是老看不懂人家这里写的英文呢。原来，这并不是咱的英语水平没提高，而是人家的中国方言式的英文狗屁不通、一直误导了咱。这下找到原因了，从今以后咱也就有自信心了。 哈哈哈哈哈。

So you agreed: US and China need each other. Also on the personal level, most of the leaders in China have family and properties in the US and western countries, their children receive education in the west, so they don't have the slightest interest to see the US fail. Their only demand is for the US to not help change CCP's dictatorship ruling in China which the American appear to be complying, because they need China too. 你的英语真的很烂,什么叫on the personal level?从前会手痒痒的改正过来,今天不会咯!!!

So you agreed: US and China need each other. Also on the personal level, most of the leaders in China have family and properties in the US and western countries, their children receive education in the west, so they don't have the slightest interest to see the US fail. Their only demand is for the US to not help change CCP's dictatorship ruling in China which the American appear to be complying, because they need China too. 有一句话叫“与狼共舞”，中国借钱给美国，并不是促进美国继续霸权，而是促进美国人消费，中国则解决就业问题及GDP的增长，其结果及目的是缩小中美经济的差距。这和美国是否邪恶轴心并不冲突。同样，美国在声称朝鲜为邪恶轴心的同时，还不时地无偿援助朝鲜，记住那可不是购买朝鲜国债，而是完全无偿的。照你的逻辑，美国和朝鲜就在同一个轴心上了。记住，不是有奶的便是你娘，也不是长根鸡巴毛的就是你爸，更不是有人出钱就可以同一轴心，可以同床共枕了。

美国才是公认的邪恶轴心 -- Of course, your beloved Chinese government does not agree this view, otherwise, why does China give US billions of $ every year to expand its military operations all over the world? why does it use up all its resources to supply cheap products for American consumers? why does it condemn and agree to sanction North Korea and Iran for their nuclear programs? why was it one of the first governments that recognise the new Iraqi and Afgan governments installed by US military? There's only one explanation, US and China are both in this axis of evil. 😁 😁 有一句话叫“与狼共舞”，中国借钱给美国，并不是促进美国继续霸权，而是促进美国人消费，中国则解决就业问题及GDP的增长，其结果及目的是缩小中美经济的差距。这和美国是否邪恶轴心并不冲突。同样，美国在声称朝鲜为邪恶轴心的同时，还不时地无偿援助朝鲜，记住那可不是购买朝鲜国债，而是完全无偿的。照你的逻辑，美国和朝鲜就在同一个轴心上了。记住，不是有奶的便是你娘，也不是长根鸡巴毛的就是你爸，更不是有人出钱就可以同一轴心，可以同床共枕了。

美国才是公认的邪恶轴心 -- Of course, your beloved Chinese government does not agree this view, otherwise, why does China give US billions of $ every year to expand its military operations all over the world? why does it use up all its resources to supply cheap products for American consumers? why does it condemn and agree to sanction North Korea and Iran for their nuclear programs? why was it one of the first governments that recognise the new Iraqi and Afgan governments installed by US military? There's only one explanation, US and China are both in this axis of evil. 😁 😁 你所引用的话，是Martin Luther King所说过的最错的一句。这是一个借口，好让自称为公正的人合法地攻击一个被称为不公正的人。现实情况也是如此，强权总是以最大的声音自称为公正，正如美国界定别国是邪恶轴心一样，其实美国才是公认的邪恶轴心。如果世界各国都向美国看齐，人类就自取灭亡了。

No matter it's called communist party or capitalist party or whatever party, its characterics as a dictatorship do not change. Does the Conservative party throws the Liberals and other opposition party members to jail? does it control all medias and not allow any criticisms? Does it claim to be the Mother of all Canadians and anyone critizes its policy hurts Canada's national interests and hurts the feeling of all Canadians? If so, I would consider moving to another country. 你的政治的看法和你的英文水平一样天真。如果美国入侵加拿大，你认为保守党能带领大家抵抗侵略者吗？同样，如果加拿大有14亿人口，那国会岂不是要有上万个议员？大家的国情不同决定了政体的不同。最重要的是，执政者是否得到广大本国民众的支持。这个世界企图瓜分中国达150年，从抵制奥运就可以看出这种企图依然广泛存在，中国人民很清楚这一点。只要世界瓜分中国的心不死，中共就依然是代表大多数中国人利益的集体，也就会得到民众的支持。你所谓的独裁，在中国叫党内民主，也是大多数中国人支持至少是并不反对的政治理念，它不仅在中国行的通，还受到中国人民要求独立自主的观念所保护。至于你是否看得起或气愤到吐血都无所谓，那就是事实。

Why do I care? Like Dr. Martin Luther King says: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". The more influence China has, the more likely its bad behaviors would threaten the rest of world. 你所引用的话，是Martin Luther King所说过的最错的一句。这是一个借口，好让自称为公正的人合法地攻击一个被称为不公正的人。现实情况也是如此，强权总是以最大的声音自称为公正，正如美国界定别国是邪恶轴心一样，其实美国才是公认的邪恶轴心。如果世界各国都向美国看齐，人类就自取灭亡了。

直搅得水花飞扬，（潜水的）沉渣泛起。 我在岸上看得有点傻眼了，真担心一会儿亮出鱼肚白。 呱唧呱唧 👏

无论起名词是什么党，只要其统治方式跟以前无异。则也一样是专制。换个方式说，中共眼下的社会主义制度的发展方式，已在不断地与资本主义制度无甚大异议。 这就是人家跟你说的换汤不换药的说法。你得看全了人家的回应，再做反应为宜。 再加上你主题也说了“人民的信任才是最大财富”。你知道吗？在中国，国人目前最信任的政党还是中共呢！否则，咋会在这个论坛上都形成着比你这种人的绝大多数呀？ 😕 😲 ☹️ 😜

No matter it's called communist party or capitalist party or whatever party, its characterics as a dictatorship do not change. Does the Conservative party throws the Liberals and other opposition party members to jail? does it control all medias and not allow any criticisms? Does it claim to be the Mother of all Canadians and anyone critizes its policy hurts Canada's national interests and hurts the feeling of all Canadians? If so, I would consider moving to another country. What are you talking about? You said that "All capitalists are welcome to join the 'communist' party". Is this a good thing for the world. Communist Party is just the name. It does the same thing as the Conservative, Liberal, Republican party. You should feel happy about it.

Why do I care? Like Dr. Martin Luther King says: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". The more influence China has, the more likely its bad behaviors would threaten the rest of world. What are you talking about? You said that "All capitalists are welcome to join the 'communist' party". Is this a good thing for the world. Communist Party is just the name. It does the same thing as the Conservative, Liberal, Republican party. You should feel happy about it.

Why do I care? Like Dr. Martin Luther King says: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". The more influence China has, the more likely its bad behaviors would threaten the rest of world. So what? Why do you care?

世界在不断演化，现在的共产党和以前的也很不一样 -- I agree, the Chinese communist party no longer believe in communism today. All capitalists are welcome to join the 'communist' party. What kind of 'communist' party is that? So what? Why do you care?

答复： 1）首先，我尊重你，如果你真是个新登记成为 51网民者。不知情无罪。不怪你。 2）但，如果你真的不想被人家看作笨得像猪似的，那么，你在发言之前，最好把人家双方往返的帖子、双方争执的来龙去脉先全部阅读个透，然后，再来发言。如果都做完这些调查取证的功课了，还是这么理解、这么说话，你也就肯定是那个人的同类。那我也就不难理解你的插话了。那么，你该属于什么动物类，那你也就是什么动物类了。 3）你本贴的意思，是说，我在骂别人是猪。所以，你在打抱不平。不过，你先别急。你先从中文语法的角度去，重新阅读看，我的句子中是否已经点名道姓、言有所指地形容谁是“猪”了？ 如果没有，你却这么直接理解之，那我也只有说：只有猪才会这么理解了。哈哈哈哈。 4）其实，我根本就不想认为你是个在这里新登记的网民。我倒认为你很可能就是该原网民、只不过换了的名字再来而已。哈哈哈。 首先， 请你自重， 不要乱扣帽子，打棍子， 把千千万万不喜欢你的中国人都说成 是同一个人或同一种力量。看看大伙的IP就知道了。 更不要因为说一句不喜欢你的 话就跳起来， 要知道：过街老鼠，人人都可以喊打。 另外，我只是五一的一个过客， 大部分时间都是旁观者，只是看不惯你的丑恶嘴脸， 路见不平，拔刀相助。我有我的专业工作，每天要工作学习和欣赏加拿大的人和事 以及美丽的自然风光。不会和你这种枪手胡搅蛮缠，浪费我的脑细胞。要找我辩论， 恕不奉陪。你还是去找别人求败去吧。

世界在不断演化，现在的共产党和以前的也很不一样 -- I agree, the Chinese communist party no longer believe in communism today. All capitalists are welcome to join the 'communist' party. What kind of 'communist' party is that? 世界在不断演化，现在的共产党和以前的也很不一样，

Well, I waited one day, still no one posts any link to a survey that says most Russians today actually prefer to live under communist Soviet Union. Of course, there're a few people missing the Soviet era, there're some people in China missing the Mao era as well, but there's absolutely nothing indicates they are the majority. Many Russians like Putin, but Putin is a democratically-elected leader, not one annointed by Stalin, is he? The world had about 40 communist countries in 1989, it only has 5 today. And not single one of these 35 countries want to go back to the old time. Communist dictatorship is already in the garbage of history. This is a historical trend that none of you are able to fight, using the words from your dear leader Mao "Your resistence is futile' 世界在不断演化，现在的共产党和以前的也很不一样，共产主义或社会主义的定义也在不断改变。你不会以发展的观点看问题是你自己的局限性。别说5个共产党国家，哪怕这个世界剩下一个社会主义国家，主义之争就在继续，现在定论谁是赢家你不嫌太早？事情总是可能随时翻盘的。你说普金是民选的总统，但你似乎不知到选举在很多国家是可以被操纵和控制的，而且金钱总是对任何国家的选举起决定性的作用。 我想人们不愿回你的贴子是因为你用的英文太干涩，很多用词不符合英文习惯，谈不上特别chinglish，但是很不地道。

戈大哥被老美卖了，还帮着老美数钱，戈大哥好高尚啊！

对，你说的也对。 我都差点忘了，猪怎么可以与人相比呢。 你这家伙也太缺德了吧，讨论归讨论， 你这样说别人， 真是连猪都不如.

所谓戈尔巴乔夫的醒悟只代表现在， 10年后他或许会有截然相反的新醒悟.

和俄罗斯结盟不是不可能的事，现在已经有上合组织这个基础了。记住，敌人怕什么，我们就应该做什么。从美国对疆独、藏独的支持，对中国经济、军事的挑衅，在南海的挑衅，美国绝对是一个要置中国于死地的国家。那些幻想中国能成为象英国一样的美国朋友，绝对愚蠢。

这可真新鲜，你大概忘记了在历史上从沙俄到苏联给中国人民造成的巨大苦难，从被屠杀的人民到被掠夺的领土。美国杀了几个中国人？ 就是今天的美国，有像俄罗斯那样明目张胆到关闭，驱逐中国商人的市场吗？ 不要为了反美反昏了头，连自己历史上的仇人都忘了。和俄国结盟？做梦吧。毛的一边倒和苏联结盟，最后什么结局？还不是靠他自己一手扭转？ 北美历史上的华工猪仔、排华法案难道是子虚乌有的事情。 当日本人在中国上空狂轰滥炸的时候，美国人在为日本人提供汽油。

纸上谈兵，说的就是书生谈宪法。而现实就是中共要想千秋万代地统治中国。

这可真新鲜，你大概忘记了在历史上从沙俄到苏联给中国人民造成的巨大苦难，从被屠杀的人民到被掠夺的领土。美国杀了几个中国人？ 就是今天的美国，有像俄罗斯那样明目张胆到关闭，驱逐中国商人的市场吗？ 不要为了反美反昏了头，连自己历史上的仇人都忘了。和俄国结盟？做梦吧。毛的一边倒和苏联结盟，最后什么结局？还不是靠他自己一手扭转？

刘少奇的死亡什么也不能证明，因为他是正常死亡。 中国宪法也有公民在法律面前一律平等的规定，还有各团体要在宪法及法律内活动的规定。 光从字面规定来说，中国宪法的条文还是很好的。

。。。。。说实在的这其实不是我想讨论的要点和关键点。问题的关键是这个国家如何去实行这部宪法。比如说是不是修改宪法就象我所描述的那样地容易？宪法是不是被执政者视为国家的根本大法(换另外一句话说就是留着它是不是只是用来装装门面的)？所有具体的法律条文是不是都根据这部宪法来制定和实施？这些都是值得思考的问题。俄罗斯也存在着同样的问题，他们的宪法写地很好，但具体执行时也出现了很多问题。 这里实际有两个相关议题。 1。宪法本身是不是先进和完善？ 2。宪法本身是不是被当权者是为根本大法来执行？ 对于中国的情况，这两个议题是混在一起无法分割的。因为中国宪法和国旗无可争议地包含中共永远领导这个国家的一切的这一核心规定，正像历代封建王朝自动地由开国皇帝和其子孙后代决定一切一样。所以宪法的任何一个具体条款都是可以由中共中央主席随时任意解释或忽略，仅仅受制于他在政治局的控制能力。尽人皆知的中华人民共和国主席的刘少奇的下场就是证明。而罢免和置他于死地的人至今不能被追究违宪，根据也是在这里。

从中国宪法的第一条其实不能推断出中共的永远领导地位，这一条规定工人阶级领导工农联盟为基础的人民民主专政的社会主义国家。而中共是工人阶级先锋队是党章的规定，众所周知党章不能等同于宪法，党章的约束力只限于党。 四项基本原则是在宪法的序言作出的一个叙说，并不是具体法律条文，所有法律条文都是明确规定权利义务的，而这个叙说不是。 同意。

从中国宪法的第一条其实不能推断出中共的永远领导地位，这一条规定工人阶级领导工农联盟为基础的人民民主专政的社会主义国家。而中共是工人阶级先锋队是党章的规定，众所周知党章不能等同于宪法，党章的约束力只限于党。 四项基本原则是在宪法的序言作出的一个叙说，并不是具体法律条文，所有法律条文都是明确规定权利义务的，而这个叙说不是。