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现在连是啥病都不知道就在这里比较哪个系统好哪个系统差是不负责任的。 医学是个实践科学,需要医生不断积累临床实际经验。因此落到每个具体医生,他们的水平是有差异的。你遇到"好"(丰富临床经验)的医生,你可能就能得到及时的治疗,治疗效果也会好。这在任何医疗系统里面都是一样的。 医生既然是人,也就会犯错误。关键是犯错的这个医生要明白到底犯了啥错误?这是一个好的医疗系统需要解决的问题。这样才能够让以后更多的年轻医生明白为何不能这样处理?! 泛泛地去评论哪家医院好与坏,哪个系统好与坏是不明智的。 还是那句话,让逝者安息吧!
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同情死者的父母, 节哀! 不过感冒发烧是可以死人的, 我的一亲属38岁男的, 还有 一同事的妈妈53岁, 十几年前在中国都是感冒发烧死的, 平时都是非常健康的. 我在加拿大生活了十几年, 也去过几个不同的医院和急疹, 我觉得不论医疗设施, 技术水平, 还是服务都是非常好的, 是国内的医院赶不上的. 这里和国内不同, 用药很谨慎, 不象国内, 小病也挂滴流, 人体的自身免疫力都破坏了, 我很赞同这里的做法. 至于看病等候时间长, 那要看是什么情况, 如果真是危险的急诊, 是一分钟都不等的, 我就亲身经历过, 登记都是进到急疹病房后才做的.
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这样中肯评论,在51算异类。
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看看这个, 绝不是造谣: 2011/10/19 (世界日报)一位高龄妇女最近在安省尼亚加拉瀑布市(Niagara Falls)一家医院病房内跌断骨头後求救时,该院急诊室的人居然叫她自己致电911。 上周在大尼加拉全科医院(Greater Niagara General Hospital)的病房内,82岁老人瓦勒丝跌倒,腿骨骨折,手臂也跌破。医院的保全人员见状,即刻向医院的急诊室求援,想不到急诊室的人说,这种事情必须由受伤者自行致电911寻求帮助。 瓦勒丝的儿子只好舍近求远,致电911求救,但当急救人员半小时后赶到病房时,已有一位恰好路过的外科医生在照料腿臂均受伤的瓦勒丝。 在主流媒体的新闻网站上,很多网友读到这条新闻时,纷纷严厉谴责大尼加拉全科医院急诊室的医务人员草菅人命,没有责任心,没有同情心,不配在急诊室工作 。 加拿大如此"高水平"的医疗服务,, 国内的医院肯定赶不上, 也不敢去赶滴...
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回复 加拿大老张:听过读过这个新闻, 个别现象哪儿都有, 国内就没有? 看问题我们不应以偏盖全不是. 我在国内和加拿大都去过医院--国内的和这儿的一流医院, 真的觉得这儿的医技, 医德绝对胜过国内.
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非常同情逝者及家属,支持你们!一定要找出死因,如果是由于院方责任,支持追查到底!
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要好好处理,防止把好人逼上梁山。
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找中文媒体P用不顶。
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对不幸的家人感到同情,发生这样的事谁也不想。虽然本人不清楚整个病情的经过,但是从描述的细节上看,这病人貌似像得了Histoplasmosis (组织胞浆菌病)。这种病很少见, 由呼吸入侵肺部,通过血液传播感染。 一般免疫系统正常的人得了此真菌不会有什么症状,但是免疫系统有缺陷的人(比如艾滋病患者, 先天免疫系统缺陷)的人被感染后会产生严重的肺炎,肝脾肿大,发高烧,还有各项血液指数下降(比如白血球,红血球,血小板),然后休克,多器官衰竭,直至死亡。发病的状况跟上述的案例十分相似。此真菌生活在土壤中,一般常出现在美国中部(多伦多以南)OHIO 和 MISSISSIPPI 的河峡谷区, 加拿大十分少见,只有从美国疫区回来的群众当中才会考虑这种感染的可能性。在未了解病人本身的病史和可能存在的免疫系统缺陷时指责医生失职有失公平。本人也从未见过此病,但内科修传染性疾病时读过这样的案例:24岁男士,艾滋病患者,在Kansas(真菌区)得肺炎,高烧,肝脾肿大,等等,跟此案列非常相似。文中提到医院诊断是真菌感染,并用相应的抗菌药治疗(应该是两性霉素),还送到了深切治疗中心(ICU),就证明医院已经竭尽所能抢救病人。医生不是神,不是所有的生命都可以挽的了,我们追求的是尽力,做到问心无愧,然后只有听天由命了。这位病人很不幸无法战胜病魔,但希望大家能够客观对待病情。 This case most likely represents histoplasma capsulatum, which is a dimorphic fungus most commonly found in mid USA near the Ohio and Mississippi river valleys. We don't see this very often in Canada, mostly in travelers from endemic regions. People get infected with histoplasmosis via inhalation of the fungal spores into the lungs, which then gets disseminated to the body. Most healthy and immunocompetent individuals do not get symptoms. People with HIV/AIDS or some form of immunideficiency can get severe disseminated disease, often presenting with cough, pneumonia, fever, pancytopenia (low white blood count, low hemoglobin, and low platelets), which later develops into septic shock, DIC, and multi-organ failure, which is what eventually claimed the life of this unfortunate young man. I can only suspect that this is the infection responsible for this man's death based on the limited description of his illness from the above article. It seems like St. Michael's Hospitak had indeed diagnosed him with a fungal infection and treated him appropriately, including resuscitation in the ICU. Until we know what his medical history and whether or not he has an undiagnosed immune deficiency (I.e. HIV), it would not be fair to lay all the blame on the medical system.
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您潜水了8年就回了这一个帖子。。。。。。。
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说的很有道理,不过组织胞浆菌病在加拿大很罕见,死者病情也很像sepsis,所以我选择了sepsis.无论如何,二者都是在鬼门关门口转。
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仔细看看,这里好像本来就是医生的不少啊。请各位大佬帮我看看我的是是不是跟这个死去的年轻人同样的病?我的看法是否有道理?我的帖子在第9页。 另外,我真的支持废除家庭医生,至少验血什么的快点。
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发烧40多天后才去医院,如果父母在身边不会是这样吧!结果也许没这么惨。
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这是至今最好最有用最准确的评贴。 不少人自视钱高于一切,不少移民将自己10多岁孩子托给所谓的“加拿大的朋友”朋友照顾,夫妇两人到中国挣“钱”去,最后结局都不好------,这种情况,基本孩子都废了。基本最后都是白忙乎!
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回复 jzh:说句让现在的年青人泄气的话, 现在的年青人远没有上世纪80年代大学生的自律自立精神了. 当时1%大学录取率的高考确实是精英选拔赛, 能通过的孩子都比较成熟自立, 基本不需要家长或别人再督促/照顾了. 现在孩子都在温室里长大, 心理成熟至少晚5年.
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回复 加拿大老张:true,Thanks!
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普天之下,真正研究医术,分析病理的人几何? 绝大多数人是看重高工资才做医生的,加拿大医生都是半个律师,不乱用药,病人死活不说,看化验/透视结果下药,好了命大,不好也怪不到医生. 中国医生救命时不等结果出来,先凭经验下药,但万一回天无术,有些家属能把医生搞进监狱. 多运动,少生气,不贪心,远疾病才是正道. 也不怪医生,天下总统/主席/律师/法官,有几人说话能让人放心呢?
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这是箴言
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我感觉这里对stroke, heart attacks 治疗比较及时,因为是常见病医生比较熟悉the vital sign,但像类似感冒的病毒感染有时就没给予足够的重视,我记得前几年就有一个大学生脑膜炎死在急诊室,也是等了10个多小时后才得到处理。
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加拿大的医生心肠是很好的,但水平是很差的.
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加拿大的医疗是草菅人命罪该万死臭名昭著的系统!总有一天等哪个总理死在了医院才会真正触发变革
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来加拿大送死,没有办法!
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还是把事实搞清楚再议论好不好?碰上这样大的事,光难过和抱怨并不能解决问题,医学是一门科学,应该请有知识也有经验的人代表家属和医院沟通一下,弄清事实真相后再评论。不知这个建议对不对?
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冒昧的讲一句,你别介意,等哪一天摊到你身上了,你就知道事实真相是否能弄清楚。安省卫生厅能力太差了,几年来在各个医院发生的不幸事件哪一件弄清真相了?再这里一样没青天。
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回复 半斤八两123:In some degree, here is much better than China.
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This is for 62
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加拿大是个没人“管”的社会制度,一切都是靠法院解决,结果效率极差,更重要的是很多人没办法为一点小损失去打官司。政府根本不管这里民事纠纷。也不知纳税人养他们干什么?
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您的意思,来个政法委,或者毛泽东?直接把包拯开刀问斩。
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回复 显示名称:我没觉得他说的,就是您想象这意思。
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前一阵的确有一重要人物说过要取消家庭医生,生病以后直接上医院,不知道猴年马月才能实行。
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这话我常说,可惜我不是重要人物,说了也白说。
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支持取消家庭医生!
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就怕早去时医生觉得不严重把你打发回家,再回来时已经太晚了。 先去家庭医生那化验结果要等1周,什么病都耽误了。 生病了真是无助! There are something must be done to improve the system.
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对逝者深表同情。
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这种事中国也有: 感冒腹痛女子医院输液4小时后死亡 http://www.hrxs.com/yhxs/yxjf/981761.shtml
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加拿大人很少跟医院打官司,因为他们相信医生比他们更 professional,很少有人挑战医生的权威。当然,医院的候诊时间过长也真是问题。 发烧40天以后才去医院,怕是什么都晚了。
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感觉是这样,记得去年还有个白人孩子死于发烧的,还是医院误诊,去医院,医生没诊断出来就打发回家了......也没见人家怎么闹的。   这个已经进了ICU,医院应该已经尽力了   不过,中国人,大多是独生,对父母的所有希望寄托在孩子身上..... 愿逝者安息
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患者可能是死于真菌性败血症。问题是如果有正常的免疫机能,一般人是不大可能得此类危症的。 希望提供更多地和详细的化验及相关报告。 对逝者深表同情。
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医生只能治病, 不是所有的病都能治好的。
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有没有懂医学的朋友帮着分析一下,这孩子到底是什么病?医院的处理办法到底有无问题? 愿家属节哀!
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"如果儿子的死能撼动加拿大的医疗,儿子也就死而无憾了"——父亲一句话,真让人心碎...
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加拿大医疗系统(医生,护士,急救人员) 真的非常非常的冷漠, 根本不顾病人的死活.
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这要在中国,病人家属不把医院闹翻天;医生护士被砍;医院赔钱。还是民猪加拿大好,屁民只能弄个冷冷清清的发布会,英文媒体根本不知道
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回复 aaazzz:英文媒体不是不知道,而是不感兴趣。对他们来说,死了个中国移民,没人在乎。报道出来没人看。
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回复 aaazzz:还是中国好,谁能折腾谁老大,?
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都成医生了?有执照吗? 行了,让逝者安息吧。
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说得没错
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Prognosis The mortality rate of severe sepsis and septic shock is frequently quoted as anywhere from 20% to 50%. In some studies, the mortality rate specifically caused by the septic episode itself is specified and is 14.3-20%. In recent years, mortality rates seem to have decreased. The National Center for Health Statistics study showed a reduction in hospital mortality rates from 28% to 18% for septicemia over the years; however, more overall deaths occurred due to the increased incidence of sepsis. The study by Angus et al, which likely more accurately reflects the incidence of severe sepsis and septic shock, reported a mortality rate of about 30%. Given that there is a spectrum of disease from sepsis to severe sepsis to septic shock, mortality varies depending on the degree of illness. The following clinical characteristics are related to the severity of sepsis: ?An abnormal host response to infection ?Site and type of infection ?Timing and type of antimicrobial therapy ?Offending organism ?Development of shock ?Any underlying disease ?Patient’s long-term health condition ?Location of the patient at the time of septic shock Factors consistently associated with increased mortality in sepsis include advanced age, comorbid conditions, and clinical evidence of organ dysfunction. One study found that in the setting of suspected infection, just meeting SIRS criteria without evidence of organ dysfunction did not predict increased mortality; this emphasizes the importance of identifying organ dysfunction over the presence of SIRS criteria. However, there is evidence to suggest that meeting increasing numbers of SIRS criteria is associated with increased mortality. In patients with septic shock, several clinical trials have documented a mortality rate of 40-75%. The poor prognostic factors are advanced age, infection with a resistant organism, impaired host immune status, poor prior functional status, and continued need for vasopressors past 24 hours. Development of sequential organ failure, despite adequate supportive measures and antimicrobial therapy, is a harbinger of poor outcome. The mortality rates were 7% with SIRS, 16% with sepsis, 20% with severe sepsis, and 46% with septic shock. A link between impaired adrenal function and higher septic shock mortality has been suggested. The adrenal gland is enlarged in patients with septic shock compared with controls. A study by Jung et al found that an absence of this enlargement, indicated by total adrenal volume of less than10 cm3, was associated with increased 28-day mortality in patients with septic shock. In 1995, a multicenter prospective study published by Brun-Buisson (1995) reported a mortality rate of 56% during ICU stays and 59% during hospital stays. Twenty-seven percent of all deaths occurred within 2 days of the onset of severe sepsis, and 77% of all deaths occurred within the first 14 days. The risk factors for early mortality in this study were higher severity of illness score, the presence of 2 or more acute organ failures at the time of sepsis, shock, and a low blood pH (< 7.3). Studies have shown that appropriate antibiotic administration (ie, antibiotics that are effective against the organism that is ultimately identified) has a significant influence on mortality. For this reason, initiating broad-spectrum coverage until the specific organism is cultured and antibiotic sensitivities are determined is important. The long-term use of statins appears to have a significant protective effect on sepsis, bacteremia, and pneumonia. End-organ failure is a major contributor to mortality in sepsis and septic shock. The complications with the greatest adverse effect on survival are ARDS, DIC, and ARF. (See Clinical Presentation.) The frequency of ARDS in sepsis has been reported from 18-38%, the highest with gram-negative sepsis, ranging from 18-25%. Sepsis and multiorgan failure are the most common cause of death in ARDS patients. Approximately 16% of patients with ARDS died from irreversible respiratory failure. Most patients who showed improvement achieved maximal recovery by 6 months, with the lung function improving to 80-90% of predicted values. Controversy exists over the use of etomidate as an induction agent for patients with sepsis, with debate centered on its association with adrenal insufficiency. Sprung et al, in the CORTICUS study, reported that patients who received etomidate had a significantly higher mortality rate than those who did not receive etomidate. However, the authors did not address the fact that those patients receiving etomidate required orotracheal intubation and thus were a sicker subset. There have been no studies to date that have prospectively evaluated the effect of single-dose etomidate on the mortality of septic shock. Although sepsis mortality is known to be high, its effect on the quality of life of survivors was previously not well characterized. New evidence shows that septic shock in elderly persons leads to significant long-term cognitive and functional disability compared with those hospitalized with nonsepsis conditions. Septic shock is often a major sentinel event that has lasting effects on the patient’s independence, reliance on family support, and need for chronic nursing home or institutionalized care. http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/168402-overview#aw2aab6b2b5
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不是肺炎,是sepsis,败血症,死亡率20-30%。如果是septic shock,死亡率可能高过60-70%。 sepsis不容易诊断,来得快,死得也快,表征和肺炎差不多,短时间变成败血症,变之前没有人能预测。sepsis是美国、加拿大急症、内科头号谈虎色变病变。 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepsis
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不了解内情,不是专业人员,不是愤青,俺就不随便骂人了。叹息一声,各位保重,亲友请节哀顺变。 一入医门深似海,直着进去躺着出:缺经验、不灵光、方块脑、节奏慢、规则板,而且还忒不上心,因而出现任何事情都只是时间和几率问题,再优秀的体制和规则,都需要优秀个体的帮衬,更何况这个体制和规则还远远谈不上优秀... btw,最近还听说一亚裔OB的前台居然吼一位大肚子产妇,俺去他个专业敬业啊!这是最最最基本的吧?! 不过加拿大总算还是一个善于亡羊补牢的国度(个人觉得“腐羊堵牢”可能更恰当一些),大家也无需担心国家不进步,只需祈祷自己别是某只羊,或是某些或出格或边缘的群体就行... 拖挨憋耗出来的进步,可悲啊,伤不起啊。 加国最好的医疗就是这里的环境,基本上很少生病。可我们国人体质毕竟不如西人,也没有注意锻炼和饮食调节的习惯,一觉得不舒服了,还是按照国内的习惯来,吃些常备药,等发觉没效的时候一两周已经过去了,才想到去约医生,可又没对医务人员说明情况,没有直接要求测血,又拖个两周... 最后见急诊,又要将之前的测试走一遍,一等就n小时,这谁扛得住啊?咱自己不上心,别人更不上心,任何悲剧都是一系列巧合和大意造成的,咱能做的就是在自己这一方面减少大意而已...
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孩子们一定要小心,一旦发烧超过四天,吃退烧药就退烧,不吃就烧起来,就要去医生那里检查了。因为有可能不是一般的感冒了。
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Agree, 医学不是万能的,. 👍️有些病,越是年轻,越是凶险,是因为机体的机能旺盛之故。 节哀.
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这里的病人不少,一天就没事骂加拿大医疗.加拿大就保证不死人?
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